Winged Cats - Breedings Open

[Dray]

Ye take 'em, and ye page 'em, and ye watch 'em proliferate! :O

Phewf, done the next batch! These are taking longer than expected! Hope you like!

Erinnyes
Randoms

Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Indigo Blue Checker
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+/- (Blue)
C//C+ (Checker, Carries Barred)
In//+ (Heterozygous Indigo)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Lemon Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
Base Colour:
BA/b (Ash Red, Carries brown)
C+//C+ (Homozygous Barred)
dex//dex (Homozygous Extreme Dilute)
E+//e (Wild-type no red, carries Recessive Red)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Recessive Opal Brown Checker
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
b/- (Brown)
C//C+ (Checker, Carries Barred)
o//o (Homozygous Recessive Opal)
+//pc (Penciled)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, carries Pearl Iris)

Semi-Customs

Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Brown Almond
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
b//b (Homozygous Brown)
CT//CT (Homozygous Velvet)
St//StH (Almond, Carries Hickory)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Ash Red Velvet Grizzle
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA/- (Ash Red)
CT//CD (Velvet, Carries Dark Checker)
G//+ (Partially Dominant Grizzle)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris)

[Guest]

WOW!! They're all so pretty! Thank you so much!

I will get them paged and named immediately. And, since so many people have been sharing cat pics, I need to jump on that bandwagon. I'm ALWAYS ready to talk about kitties:




Squeak, Buttons, and Woobie.

Edit: Stretched the page, sorry about that. :>

[Guest]

These are just really well done Dray! I think the "Lemon Bar" is my favorite out of this batch though. The white spotty is also awesome!

[Dray]

Ah man, the lemons are the best! Extreme dilute is the most recessive of the dilution gene family, too, so Erinn got really lucky!

Also, lol, "I'm a fatty!" XD

Neogeen, your first random fella wound up getting the 'bald headed' pattern! I love these random things that come up. :D

[Kitsuneko]

This thread makes me want to stamp my feet and demand a kitty of my very own...but my dad would kill me. ^^;
Neogeen, the best site I've found for cat color genetics is this:
http://www.fanciers.com/other-faqs/color-genetics.html
and it's fairly easy to find horse genetics online.
[EDIT] I think I found some good sites for gerbil colors as well a while back, though I don't remember what they were, but I haven't checked out any others.

[Kendarath]

Randoms Form
Name: Kendarath
Caretaker: Ax'im
Number of Cats: 1
Certificates?: N

Semi-Customs Form
Name: Kendarath
Caretaker: Ax'im
Male:
-Ash Red
-faint markings
-Fading light->dark bits
Female: (Pick one each from the previous!)
-Blue
-Very heavy markings
-White with flecks of colour
Certificates?: N

[Dray]

Here is a genetics page (or at least the starter!) if you are interested in drawing and breeding your own cats in this style -- you can of course breed your own without using the genetic system, this is only required if you want to create an official breed!

http://dray.pegaruny.com/Dragons/WCGenetics.htm

At the moment, the three basic colours and the six basic patterns are uploaded and explained. I will eventually include example images to help clear things up!

Please let me know if it doesn't read clearly, or if there are terms that seem vague or just weird. I'll try to hunt down those lethal genes and display them in big blinking red letters or something at the top of the page. XD The only one that I think who's effected so far is Erinnyes' Almond male. Two Almond genes (St) together are lethal... the rest I think are fine!

I'll be updating this as I go along, so check back!

[Shard]

If and when you have examples of these, please include a thumbnail of it

I've avoided sex-linked things on Ferilons because MAN it's hard to keep track of that stuff as easily as for non- linked.

[Dray]

True that!

Once I have some more time I'll definitely include some examples, though for these genes, things are more guidelines than "this looks exactly like the example!"... especially when things start to intermix and cause strange effects!

I'm finding that so long as I know which genes are sex-linked, it's not too bad for keeping track of things. Females get one, males get two, is all. XD We'll see how that goes once breeding starts, though!

eta: I've got most of the genes up that I have data for. All that's left is the Grizzle family, and then a bunch of genes that don't have multiple alleles on their various locii. Some I may just write 'description pending' as I figure out what they refer to. XD I'm hoping that having one big list with relatively clear descriptions will make it easy for people to breed and create their own cats independent of what I'm making. :D

[Shard]

What about the existing kitties that were given out earlier? Are you going by any of those appearances at all?

[Dray]

Nah, not yet. I'm working solely off of pigeon breeds for the genetics aspect. I may try to incorporate cat genes at some point, but I'm going to keep things simple on JKats advice. XD Less chance of getting horribly bamboozled and frustrated with the project!

Not that these cats couldn't be bred with the spotty tabby kinds. I just don't have a code in place, so you'd have to eyeball it for offspring.

[Shard]

Ah okay that's fine with me. I seriously doubt I'd be able to emulate actual patterning the way you do, though lol!

[Guest]

I read all the information you posted (trying to wrap my head around a litter of kittens already) - and as soon as my eyes uncrossed I believe it sank into my dense rock-like head.

It reads clear and concise, thank you for it! Just so much information. Whew.

[Dray]

Yeah, there is a metric craptonne of info there. All you need to know are those three base colours and the various levels of checker vs bar. Everything else is just icing on the cake!

The last few tables may have a few errors, I haven't gone through and spell-checked. XD I'll try to get up the info that's not yet listed soon... those are mostly the ones that the fella listed but didn't describe in much detail. Also should have a 'information thanks to Ron Huntley!' caption at the bottom! :o

[Dray]

((D: Erinnyes, I forgot to save non-certed versions of your critters! I hope the first batch only on certificates is okay!))

Neogeen
Randoms

Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Bald Head Blue Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+//B+ (Homozygous Blue)
C+//c (Barred, Carries Barless)
Bh//+ (Heterozygous Bald Head Pattern)
+//pl (Wild Type, carries Recessive Platinum
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Dark Checkered Bleached Blue Drizzle
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+//B+ (Homozygous Blue)
CD//C+ (Dark Checker, Carries Barred)
Bl//+ (Bleached, carries wild-type non-bleached)
Drz//+ (Drizzle, carries wild-type non-drizzle)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Rubella Blue Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+/- (Hemizygous Blue)
C+//c (Barred, carries Barless)
rru/- (Hemizygous Rubella)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)

Semi Customs

Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Velvet Blue Tiger Grizzle
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+//b (Blue, carries Brown)
CT//CT (Homozygous Velvet)
GT//GT (Homozygous Tiger Grizzle)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, carries Pearl Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Dilute Ash Red Bar
Eyes: False Pearl
Genetic Code:
BA/- (Hemizygous Ash Brown)
C+//c (Barred, carries Barless)
d/- (Hemizygous Dilute)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)

[Guest]

Oh man, kitties. *rolls around*

Thank you so much Dray! I love these a crazy amount, you have no idea.

The Velvet Blue Tiger Grizzle turned out really outstanding!

Thanks for listing out the genetic code, it'll help me in the long run a ton.

Ahaha, kitties.

[Dray]

I'm amused that this code causes tabby markings to be in the minority, sorta. XD It's neat! Glad you like! (I'm slowly working on the next batch. :o)

[delyar]

I've been looking at the code for cat coats and it seems like they would be fairly easy to mix... Just use the Agouti gene to determine which pattern is "dominant".

I'm confused as to how you're handling your sex-linked genes though. Is it because pigeons are backwards (males XX and females XY)?

[Yakima]

I'm confused as to how you're handling your sex-linked genes though. Is it because pigeons are backwards (males XX and females XY)?

O.o Never knew that. That's weird.

[Dray]

Males have two of a kind for the sex-linked chromosomes and females only have one! I know that this is the opposite for how cats work... but I like it! I'm not going to include cat-genes yet. Maybe once the current set begin to get boring...

That's not to say that if you guys want to draw up some tabbies, you can't! And if you don't mind click-and-takes, I have a thread in here somewhere that should still be displaying them all! I just think that sticking with the current set and not getting too ambitious is a really good idea right now.

(PS: Working on Aressaun's batch now! Once I have a few more people on the list done I'll set up a breeding raffle to get things underway. :D)

[Shard]

I tried finding the old thread, but couldn't locate it... o.0 I know it's in here somewhere.

[delyar]

So yeah, the males are XX and the females are X- or XY. It's typical of fowl, if I remember correctly, but mammals are usually like us.

That makes combining two genetic codes annoying, as the orange tabby gene is incomplete dominant yet sex linked, thus only females can be calicos/tortoiseshells (as only they can be Oo). Hmm...

Finally figured out where these guys can go!

Randoms Form
Name: Delyar
Caretaker: Antiko! http://characters.lambeosaurine.com/shi ... ntiko.html
Number of Cats: 3
Certificates?: Just the kitty please. :)

Semi-Customs Form
Name: Delyar
Caretaker: Antiko again, is that ok?
Male: (Pick one each from the following)
-Ash Red
-Very heavy markings
- Reddish markings
Female: (Pick one each from the previous!)
- Ash Red
- Medium to heavy markings
- Red base
Certificates?: Again just the kitty

[Xenoqueen]

Aren't they actually referred as ZW or something instead of XY to make a distinction between the systems? Heh, pedantics. X3

The original cats are over here: http://www.deviant-uprising.com/nexus/v ... php?t=2385

[Dray]

(That's part of the reason that I'm not combining the genes right now. :D)

Thanks for the relink, Phe!

[delyar]

Quite likely. I just use XY cause otherwise I get confused myself.

Also bawwww those are awesome! *collects*

[Dray]

Aressaun
Randoms

Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Indigo Blue Checker
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+//b (Blue, Carries Brown)
C//c (Checker, Carries Barless)
In//+ (Heterozygous Indigo)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Velvet Ash Red
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA/- (Hemizygous Ash Red)
CT//C+ (Velvet, Carries Barred)
+//pc (Wild Type, carries Pencilled)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Ember Brown Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
b/- (Hemizygous Brown)
C+//C+ (Homozygous Barred)
eEm//e (Ember, Carries Recessive Red)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris)


Semi-Customs

Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Grizzled Velvet Blue
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+//b (Blue, Carries Brown)
CT//C (Velvet, Carries Checker)
G//G (Homozygous Grizzle)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Reduced Ash Red Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA/-
C+//C+ (Homozygous Barred)
r/- (Hemizygous Reduced)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)

[Dray]

Kitsuneko
Randoms

Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Brown Bar
Eyes: White
Genetic Code:
b/- (Hemizygous Brown)
C+//C+ (Homozygous Barred)
+//z (Wild Type, Carries Gazzie)
tr//tr (Homozygous Pearl Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Drizzled Ash Red Bar Gimpel
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA/- (Hemizygous Ash Red)
C+//c (Barred, carries Barless)
Gp//+ (Heterozygous Gimpel)
+//ic (Wild Type, Carries Ice)
Drz//+ (Heterozygous Drizzle)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Baldheaded Sandy Blue Checker
Eyes: Bull-Eyed (Brown)
Genetic Code:
B+/- (Hemizygous Blue)
C//C+ (Checker, Carries Barred)
Stsa/- (Hemizygous Sandy)
Bh//+ (Heterozygous Bald Head Pattern)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)

Semi-Customs

Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Reduced Blue Dark Checker
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+//B+ (Homozygous Blue)
CD//CD (Homozygous Dark Checker)
r//rru (Reduced, Carries Rubella)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Ash Red Grizzle Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA/- (Hemizygous Ash Red)
C+//c (Barred, Carries Barless)
GW//G (White Grizzle, Carries Grizzle)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris

[Dray]

Shard
Randoms

Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Undergrizzled Ash Red Dark Checker
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA/- (Hemizygous Ash Red)
CD//C+ (Dark Checker, Carries Barred)
Ug//+ (Heterozygous Undergrizzle)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Blue Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
B+/- (Hemizygous Blue)
C+//C+ (Homozygous Barred)
E+//eEm (Wild Type, Carries Ember)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Dirty White-Tailed Ash Red Bar (lol)
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA//B+ (Ash Red, Carries Blue)
C+//C+ (Homozygous Barred)
+//fs (Wild Type, Carries Frill Stencil)
Wt//+ (Heterozygous White Tailed)
V//+ (Heterozygous Dirty)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)

Semi-Customs

Name: Up to you
Gender: Male
Breed: Wild
Coat: Pale Ash Red Checker
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
BA//b (Ash Red, Carries Brown)
CL//c (Light Checker, Carries Barless)
dP//d (Pale, Carries Dilute)
+//tr (Yellow Iris, Carries Pearl Iris)


Name: Up to you
Gender: Female
Breed: Wild
Coat: Dominant Opal Brown Bar
Eyes: Orange
Genetic Code:
b/- (Hemizygous Brown)
C+//c (Barred, Carries Barless)
O//O+ (Heterozygous Dominant Opal)
+//+ (Homozygous Yellow Iris)

[Shard]

Dirty White-Tailed Ash Red Bar (lol) INDEED lol!!

How gorgeous

And omg Aressaun's Velvet Ash Red... WOW.

[Guest]

Ahhhh! They are so lovely Dray