HTML resizing

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:26 pm

So I've been changing the layout of my dragon-pages in order to put pertinent info towards the top (for me, that's picture and lineage) and making use of these newfangled wider screens that everyone's getting. In doing so, I've been resizing images using HTML so that they'll fit into the table without stretching things.

I remembered recently that some people have strict rules against editing, including resizing -- but does doing so via HTML count? The way that I figure, if you right-click 'view image', you'll be able to see the image in its full and unadulterated glory, so there's no harm done in the long run. Then again, that's just me.

What do you guys think? And if you have a problem with it and I have one of your critters, would a good compromise be that I make the image clickable, so that you can more easily see the full-size image?

Myrror · Post by **Myrror** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:17 pm

I have a problem with it, and have for quite awhile. I've abandoned critters for it in my early days (now I rarely check)

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:49 pm

Why? X3 Just out of curiosity. You won't accept compromises or anything?

Myrror · Post by **Myrror** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:52 pm

I just do. I never liked the look of it. If anything, I'd prefer a straight text link to the image if necessary instead.

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:54 pm

Okay, I'll remember not to use that format when uploading creatures from you. ^_^

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:10 am

I know I'm new, so my opinion might not count for much, but I don't like the look of it, either. The only compromise I'll take (and practically insist on, anyway, if the dragon's too large for your layout) from people is a text link in lieu of a picture that says something along the lines of "Click to view [dragonnamehere]". The other compromise I make is that if you have your layout set up, I try to make the dragon fit, so that it's less the problem. But... that doesn't always happen, because I'm forgetful. o_o;

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:20 am

Images resized in HTML often look pixelated and weird. If you're going to resize it, I'd prefer you just actually make a resized version of the actual image, or a thumbnail, and then link to the actual image. However, that said, I'm pretty laid back about such things, so if you have any images of mine, you can just resize them in HTML if you want.

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:25 am

I wonder if Macs shrink things differently than PC's? I'm definitely not getting 'weird pixelation' or anything to suggest that the image has been shrunk when I look at these. For me, I just find it exciting in a very design-nerd kind of way that I can contain all of the information and present it in a new way that doesn't involve as much scrolling as in past pages!

Would you mind sending me a screenshot of how it looks from your end, someone who's getting the 'weird' image? I'd like to see evidence of this transmogrification!

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:33 am

Hm, they don't always look bad, just sometimes. JPEGS and PNGs look much better than GIFs. The one in Dray's example looks fine, actually, so maybe I'm just crazy

Cy · Post by Cy » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:30 am

I don't have any kind of problem with it. For a long time, I've wanted to either have HTML resized images of the dragons next to their links on my Residents page, or a cropped headshot, but knowing that Myr and a few others don't like it, I haven't. But anywho, anyone you've got from me is just fine to HTML resize, as long as there is a link of some kind to the full image.

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:48 am

Cy, if you wanna do that with any of mine, I don't mind at all. XD I love seeing that sort of arrangement -- delicious organization~! X333

On a side note, do these two look weird and pixellated to you? They're both gifs. The only place that I see weird pixellation is where Shiolar had poor linework and shading to begin with. Silver Midnight's image looks fine to me!

Post by **StarFyre** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:55 am

I don't have any issue with anyone doing that sort of stuff with my art. I know full well that my images had a tendency to be large so *shrugs* Do what ye will.

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:55 am

Yeah, they both look fine. The times it looks weird is if the outline is very thin, on the order of one pixel wide. In those cases, the outline can disappear altogether in places while remaining in others, and that's what makes it looks pixelated. A lot of modern dragons don't have that issue, but it was a problem in the past *shrugs*

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:27 am

I don't mind if mine are done that way but generally yeah, the gifs tend to lose cohesion around the edges a bit. My issue is more with layouts which are so tiny and stuffed into the middle of a screen ...

I mean, I have a 23 inch monitor, widescreen, and I run at 1650x1020. Layouts which occupy like even 1000 pixels are just... tiny. I'm just glad that most of us don't do 'chromeless' layouts any more... I freaking hate those.

Post by **StarFyre** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:03 pm

<.< Shard, if I may ask.. what's a "chromeless" layout?

And this is why I design my pages free-form, with percentages instead of fixed-widths. They resize so nicely in the general manner of things.

Considering that the computer I'm on is teeeny-tiny in screen size (like, maybe I've got a 13 inch screen? I think that's it..) but my ratio is 1400x1050.. took some getting used to, but now anything below that ratio looks clumsy to me.

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:20 pm

Heh yeah see I *don't* have a giant screen, so I tend to make my layouts kind of small ... but I'm getting better. Reeeeally, I'm trying, lol. But I want to make my web sites accessable to everyone, not just the lucky few with monsterous wide screens. Like the one I'm using now. But that's a school computer so it doesn't count. Bwaha.

Cy · Post by Cy » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:32 pm

Awesome Dray, thanks :] I'm really OCD about organization, and I just like the idea that while scrolling down on listings, you can see a headshot or something of the sort instead of just Name - Gender - Bond - Color plain links [or what have you]

I don't have any issues viewing your layout, nor do the images reaaally resize much for me since I have an 18 inch monitor ^_^' It all stays nice, neat, and compact. No pixelization on my side.

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:50 pm

Chromeless is when you get a popup but you cannot resize it, it remains at the same size and can't be manipulated. HATE hate hate those. But that goes for *any* website, not just dragons. Corporate sites which do that I try not to even bother with them.

But to compensate for the Nexus folks, I have tried (triiiiied) to keep my images less than huge, I know sometimes they're pretty wide though.

Xenoqueen · Post by **Xenoqueen** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:49 pm

Resizing or thumbnailing images is definitely a personal sin of mine, though I try not to indulge unless I feel a page's theme or layout really needs it and I always obviously link to the full image.

Since I'm not one who wants to be called a hypocrite, I don't mind people doing the same to images of mine, just as long as there's an immediate link to the "real" image available. ;P

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:02 pm

The more I think about it, the less annoyed I am at the thought of thumbnails. No one's ever suggested that to me before. XD It could be... ridiculously cute for those unfortunate to get gigantic dragons (7000x3000, ftw! [XD]).

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:12 pm

Heh...Firefox obviously antialias things - IE does not. I tested your two links in IE, Dray, and they are pixilated (though not by much) in Explorer which is probably why some people banned the HTML resizing because it looked bad (which probably doesn't surprise people who hate IE

)

I don't mind HTML resizing, Dray. I just ban actually resizing it in a program or putting anything on the image.

And, since my layouts are all the basic layout (just different images), I rarely have to worry about it.

Myrror · Post by **Myrror** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:20 pm

I have oked Thumbnail useage/creation for EverRealm critters, just as long as you ask first. (and I think you have ^.^)

As for how those look--I don't see the pixelation in Firefox, but I do for the top one in IE--the botom one seems to almost fit into the space without resizing, from what I could see of the actual image. But I have seen others that have that pixelated look on Firefox.

Of course, my own shading/coloring is rather...iffy..so perhaps that why they look bad resized...