Alternative breeding idea/species permission, UPDATED

[DNS]

http://www.geocities.com/public_mindspace/breeding.html
I modified the webbie. could everyone please check to see i got the permissions right, / add a few original species names if you know them?

ps, the code's fucked up, and i still need to add the other people from whom i need permissions. >.>

Edot- need to be added officially:

Mutts/randoms from DF: permissions granted, SLP
Native Kynnese breeds: Permissions denied [magical interference. no gender swqitch] DP 1/4
Danachians from Frizzle: Permissions denied DP 1/4 (same sex relationships granted, though)
Permissions for others from frizzle: Granted, she'll contact me if anything comes up. (maybe email to ask her, but that's on your own initiative)
Originals/mutts from NEisha: permissions granted. She wants to know about them, however, for the hell of it. And it has to fit with personality, btu that's a no brainer~
Generics from Neishai: yes, i think
Original species from neishai: none as of yet, but ditto the mutts, i think.
Anything from nicole(original/random/generic/mutts): Fair game, SLP.
Anything from trix(original/generic/random/mutts): permissions granted, slp.
Anything from Leilay(original/random/generic/mutts): Permissions granted
Anything from Luna (original/random/generic/mutts): permissions granted
Enkyens: yes, permitting that only one parent is an enkyen. NO SYNTHS.
Others by skysong (original/generic/mutts/random): yes (?) Contact her
Anything by fuzzy (original/generic/mutts/random) BARRING E'kaa: Permissions granted
E'kaa: subject to normal breeding restrictions for them, so no. DP 1/8
Mutts/random from samber: Permissions granted
Pernseians (from dasma): permissions denied, + no synths.
Austar dragons: permissions denied, can't outbreed.


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mmk.

On mindspace, I already do some wierd breeding things, though no one's taken me up on it yet. Same sex breedings, for example-- through the use of magical happpystuffs that either change one of the dragon's gender for an ammount of time (boy--> girl for gestation period or Girl ----> boy for as long as it takes to impregnate the other female she's mating with), or to change the internal structure of a dragon temporarily to allow for the making of the babies (boy ---> grows female inner parts somehow, though how the babies would come out is anyone's unpleasant guess. C section, anyone? OR girl ---> temporarily renders cells in normal excretions capable of passing on genetic DNA to another egg cell. Again, technicalities to any of that is anyone's guess.). All of that's internal, though, and I was thinking that perhaps I wanted to do some external things?
((It also happens through random flukes in the mindspace magical field, but only if i feel like being mean~))
The only problem is, other people are doign external things, and i don't wnat to jump on anyone's badnwagon.

I've already started doing it in roleplays-- mostly with human characters-- combining two genetic female characters DNA in an egg cell either magically or biotechnically outside of the body, and either putting it into one of the females or growing the resulting offspring in vitro, for example. But I was thinking about doing it in my agencies-- cept a lot of other people are doing that too.

For the most part, I was gonna stick to the not-that-extravagant aspect of it. (Here you go, gay-or-otherwise-unable-to-reproduce dragons, have a baby~)
Maybe do a couple of more-than-two-parent combinations, or some single-parent-with-some-genetic-tinkering, or maybe some genetic tinkering to any of the babies, but for the most part-- simple. That, and size and MAYBE species combination breedings. Those would be rare, though, with the exception of the size-breedings. :/ i may devise some magical solution for that, too. temporary size growth or reduction? eh.

but yeah. I ask to move it to the external because a lot of other people are playing around with genetic tinkering too, and, like i said, i dont' want to jump on anyone's bandwagon. >.> I was thinking of doing this for awhile, but if anyone has any objections to it, ANY at all, please tell me. XP I'm fine with sticking to the internal things, because those actually work in mindspace. ^^

ALSO. Are there any breeds of dragon that peopel don't want breeding with the same sex/cross size/being magically influenced in such ways? /any artists who mind if i use their work?

kittens.

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refer to second page for list

[Shard]

I have no problems with any Healing Den, Glenn or non-pernese (strict, as in Dragonhope only) dragons of mine doing this. Heck, I've asked anyone to do the same thing at Planet Twenty. (no takers there either...)

The Zekirans are great at that. They don't really bat an eye at it. So if you'd want any offworld ... assistants... to show up pick a Zekiran, they're likely to be a Breeder and enjoy messing with genetics too.

[DNS]

<3>.> sorry for questions. And eee~ I'll look into it. XP I was thnking ofgetting a bunch of new breeding-head characters for if I open the external.

[Astra]

No problem with any of my breeds (Cyrnans or Gecnawans)

[DNS]

-nodnod- mmk. -notes that- does that include anything else drawn by you, species permitting?

And I'm gonna say that pernese mutts (1/4 pernese or less, possibly 1/2) are capable of being used in this, otherwise i'd be restricted too much. dpes anyone mind.

[Unyko]

You can use any of mine for this, too. Again, except for the suva, but since they haven't reached the nexus yet (and I'm not sure if they ever will, except by assocoation) there's really no trouble in that, right? ^.^;; But yes. Anything, and all of the above. Especially the Saa.. they're -totally- openminded about stuff like this. XD *salute!*

[DNS]

http://www.geocities.com/public_mindspace/breeding.html

That's the page with all the breeding info for mindspace, including a more detialed thingum on various methods. external methods unknown as of yet, for above reasons-- I think i might leave them out.

Also, unless otherwise stated, i'm gonna say that any mutt with 1/4 of any breed can be bred this way, though i will attempt to check with the creators of the breeds first. :/ The exceptions being those restricted comepletely-- the Tacii and the Suva, at the moment. and others. Does anyone object to that?

[Indigo]

Sounds like an interesting twist. Feel free to use any of my dragons. ^^

[Shiolar]

Danachians are not generally gay themselves, at least not the ones from Fionabhainn or Bryquainabhainn. Some of them might have gay riders, but they generally go with the whole thing that rider and dragon are attached enough to each other that they'll make sacrifices. So a gay rider will go with someone of the opposite gender if their dragon mates with that person's dragon, and mating flights are considered separate from the rider's personal preference, if you see what I mean. But with that said, the high ranking ones don't really bond gay riders unless said rider has a story that really impresses me. Although that goes for all Candidates actually, regardless of their preference.

BUT, because Danachians will multiple bond or bond to a dragon of the same gender as them, then although they wouldn't likely be gay, it could possibly occur that they'd mate in this manner if they really wanted offspring to raise together. They'd be more likely to go with a synth-style option than temporary gender alteration, especially if there's a large bonded group that would like to mix all their genes together for offspring. But, with that said, there'd be some exceptions and it depends on the dragons involved themselves. Basically, there'd have to be a story reason why they'd choose to mate in such a manner rather than arrange for a synth or similar proceedure.

Mirusii are not gay, under any circumstances. Their reproduction with other dragons is held completely separate from any bonds they may have, though; there's no exchange of mating emotions. So who they bond with is based on personality and not sexual preferences. But they do tend to multiple bond, so three or more might come together to produce offspring together and thus would need some help.

For anything else I've drawn, anything that's not quarter or more Mirusii or Danachian, it depends on the individual species and the individual preference of the dragons themselves.

[Carodos]

I don't think I really need to say it but no for the Esecentas. Still too new to the Nexus for me to want them fiddled with.

[Kitsuneko]

I'm gonna say no on Athanasian dragons, I'm not too big on the idea myself. And most of the rest of what I draw is hybrids of varying lineages...

[Starburst]

Anything I've drawn is go (species limits permitting) - except Iorans, who have a pretty strict tradition of mating. *

And if you're not sure about anything, talk to me BEFORE submitting your dragons to anything of this sort. ^^

* If you have two Iorans who have... uh... unconventional feelings for each other, you MUST email me before you submit them to anything of this sort. Yes, even Biosynthesis. ^^ I just like to know about this kind of thing.

[Myrror]

I'd say anything is allowed, except for Dyrmysts and certain inter-species pairings (ie, Supernal-Infernal), the unconventional preferred, accually. Whorlings are quite used to 'breeding' that way.

[Dray]

X3 Mine are allowed, their original-species permitting. I can't think of any purebreeds that I've made (not like there's lots of them out and around) that would object, unless by personal preference. If I think of something, I'll jot it down here or email you.

[Silver Midnight]

http://www.geocities.com/dg_ring_of_fir ... ility.html

Anything on there which is not listed as no-breeding.

[aireona93]

Just to be technical... Bre'Ama. ^ ^ **snuggles**

[DNS]

Shio, your explination was completely lost on me~
and mew, I thought danachians could be gay sometimes? Or maybe i remember the answer to a question wrong. :/ I've long since deleted the PM.

In anycase, i'll mark down the restrictions.
Carodos and Kitsu, that's a flat no across the mark? As in, even past 1/4 diluted blood, is still a no?

-marks down restrictions- and yay, that opens me a lot of possibilities~

he, sorry airy, didn';t even notice the.. thingum. misspelling.

as for the multiple-gene whatnot synth stuff, I don't know if i'll be doing any of tht. Even if I got permissions for it, it would still be rare. :/ so eh.

[DNS]

oh, and shiolar and kitsu:
The other species you created, it's okay for? Cuz I know you, shio, have quite a few others that aren't danachian and mirus? And also, species limits permitting, do you allow the mutts and whatnot you draw to be in on this?

If not that's cool, and sorry if i'm re-asking too much, I just don't want to accidently trod on people's toes.

Also, if you guys have pernese agencies or something to that end, I ask for seperate permissions on that-- becuase i know myself and a few others who don't mind, but a lot of people do, so nessie is being safe.

[Shiolar]

I so should not be posting first thing in the morning... Allow me to be a little more coherent and a little less meandering...

Danachians (Fionabhainn and Bryquainabhainn born), up to one quarter heritage:
Synths / Fusions / Amalgamations / etc (Any number of parents of any gender): Yes
Mating Flights (Male x Female): Yes
Mating Flights (Male x Hermaphrodite / Female x Hermaphrodite): Yes
Mating Flights (Male x Neuter / Female x Neuter): Yes; obviously it would be the neuter who'd need a temporary gender.
Mating Flights (Male x Male / Female x Female): Generally no. A Danachian might do such a flight with a bond or another dragon they were close to, but it would be the other dragon doing the gender switching. A male Danachian would not become female, even temporarily, and the same for a female becoming male. Really, I'd like to see a good story behind why they'd choose to have such a mating flight rather than get a synth-equivalent.

Mirusii, up to one quarter heritage:
Synths / Fusions / Amalgamations / etc (Any number of parents of any gender): Yes
Mating Flights (Male x Female): Yes
Mating Flights (Male x Hermaphrodite / Female x Hermaphrodite): Yes
Mating Flights (Male x Neuter / Female x Neuter): No. Neuter Mirusii have no interest whatsoever in mating. But they are up for synth-equivalents, since some of them would want offspring even if they don't want anything to do with the process of creation thereof.
Mating Flights (Male x Male / Female x Female): Almost exclusively no. Mating amongst the Mirusii has both genetic and cultural aspects. They're genetically predisposed to only wish to mate with the opposite gender. Hermaphrodites are genetically predisposed to mate with either. Neuters are genetically predisposed to not mate with anything. On top of that, there's cultural and social things to consider. However, if there's a very good story regarding a Mirusii choosing to ignore everything they've been brought up to believe in favour of mating with a certain same-gendered dragon... Gay Mirusii will be considered on a case by case basis, and the more epic the story, the greater chance of me saying okay, broadly speaking.

Mhara Varrey, up to one quarter heritage:
Synths / Fusions / Amalgamations / etc Any number of parents of any gender): Yes
Mating Flights (Male x Female): Yes, assuming the flight takes place in the water or the individual Mhara Varrey has the ability to swim in the air.
Mating Flights (Male x Hermaphrodite / Female x Hermaphrodite): Yes, assuming the flight takes place in the water or the individual Mhara Varrey has the ability to swim in the air.
Mating Flights (Male x Neuter / Female x Neuter): Yes, but only where the two parents in question are bonded to each other. Mhara Varrey consider their bonds to be their pod, and unconventional mating will only occur between members of the same pod.
Mating Flights (Male x Male / Female x Female): Yes, but only where the two parents in question are bonded to each other. Mhara Varrey consider their bonds to be their pod, and unconventional mating will only occur between members of the same pod.

[Kitsuneko]

Athanasian dragons: restricted till around the fourth generation (which is around the same time they start going unbonded) By then, any distinctly Athanasian features would probably have bred out anyway.
Athanasians are really my only 'signature' species, the rest of what I draw is usually unpedigreed mutt or various hybrids, so I guess that would depend on what breeds they have.
So, yeah, Athanasians no, other dragons, yeah. Sorry....I just don't care much for the idea of gay dragons...O.O

[Astra]

Sweet. Kitsu, what about Jeystith's babies? Reason I ask is that since their riders are together, I'd like to have at least one clutch between Leyelisth and Jura'Shi ... however I'm not really sure they're lesbians persay so it might be better for me to amalgamate them -- Jura's a hydra after all, so they would fit in. But being that they're good guys, I'd have to have Syngularity accidentally/on purpose yoink some of their DNA somehow. Murr.

[DNS]

YAY! I understand. which is rare.

I shouldn't be reading first thing in the morning. but mmk, i'll mark that down. -nodnod-

and I assume you're cool with me using your mutts and whatnot? and the wierd little species that i'm not sure are species like lemurdragons?

and final question== where are those places you mention? ._. though i'm just gonna assume that all danachians came from those places, including the giveaway ones~

-goes back to reading a hatching story-

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and -nodnod- mmk, kitsu. i shall note it~

[Kitsuneko]

Astra: *points to above post* For mutts, I will allow it..

[Shiolar]

I don't think I said that Danachians could be gay... They'll bond gay riders, but obviously a lesbian who deserves a high ranking dragon will be getting a female starry rather than a male black or silver, and a gay guy who deserves a high ranker will be getting a male black or silver rather than female starry...

The vast majority of Danachians out there are Cathair Fionabhainn born, but there are a few that came from other Cathairs, Cathair Utopian being the only other one that gave out any real number of dragons. You don't see too many of either going out to breed now, of course. BUT, in discussions with Ty recently, I know her sister (Frizzle, isn't it?) wishes to use Danach, so I've passed the world over to her. Any Danachians she gives out will, of course, be subject to her own chosen rules on the matter. Danach was intended to have some genetically distinct populations, which is why the Fionabhainn ones looked so different from the Utopian ones, for example.

Cathair Fionabhainn is my old dragoning site... Bryquainabhainn is where all my Danachian characters will be living on Mirus, named by none other than Ketrenal, who took a very direct approach to naming the place.

The mutts depend entirely on the parentage, really. The lemur dragons are actually half-Mirusii, for example. There's some mutts I did that are Piralan / Niteshan / Pernese / Danachian mutts, a quarter of each, and would obviously come under the rules for Danachians. There's a large quantity of half Piralan half Pernese Rufasilex babies out there... the Pernese side is from the Alabaster / Blackstone Giveaway, so I dunno where Shard stands on that. Obviously, you'd need Jkat's thoughts in regards to the Asandae...

Actually, most of the mutts I've done so far have a lot of Asandus or Mirusii blood in them... But there's a few exceptions. Basically, anything I've not specifically said otherwise will go by the permissions for their parent species.

The only other species I have is the butterfly dragons, which I've not defined in the least and probably shan't be using in any major way. So they're available for anything.

[DNS]

-nodnodsalute- aah, clarity.

And I did ask about the danachians themselves, shortly after the giveaway, if you had any problems with the dragons being gay. It was two unbonded ones that I asked about, and you said you were cool with it, but then again, i could be remembering that wrong. Two months ago might as well be a year according to my memory.

and thankyouthankyou for the clarification~ -hugglegnaw- I'll ask frizzle about it when she opens her danachians to the public.

[Shiolar]

Two months was a long time ago, yes... I've emptied my inbox since then, too. And then again, what I may have said two months ago, offhandedly, is certainly not the same as what I say no, since I have no memory of former sayings...? Generally speaking, I don't think dragons being gay would be all that common, and for anything uncommon there must be a good story behind it. *shrugs*

[DNS]

-nodnod- i get you, dun worry. XP

And eh, this is getting very weblike. :/

Hay, Dray/Phe/Astra/yakima?/everyone else who does genetic manipulation on their dragonries: I decided yesterday to not do the whole synthtype breeding, but in the face of these restrictions, I am rethinking that. SO, may i get permission to do them, albiet extremely rarely? Single parent/multiple parents/Genetic Variations to anything/external reproduction in general.

PS-- what are the illubrian mutts, again, and who should i ask for permissions about them, the alskryians, and such?

[Rachael]

All things drawn by me without prestated breeding restrictions are able to be bred in any way you choose.

Just remember that creatures coming from Lvarian stock will have fur, and males, almost 89% of the time, will show the mane. They always carry it, both male and female. They are also, when giving birth, live-birth... Not that I think it matters at this point anyhow.