My oldest dragon

Shiolar · Post by **Shiolar** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:25 pm

Two genders definitely aren't enough, which is why my favourite fantasy race has three! Yay!

I'm not particularly open myself. Not because it'd get a bad reaction around here, but simply because I'm naturally secretive... *shrugs*

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:35 pm

There are so many shades of gray in between that's the thing. Like, I'm sort of masculine for a girl, in that I am a huge dork and I like engineering and computers and video games and sci-fi and things that stereotypically only guys like. But I'm still a girl and (guilty) I like to go shopping and wear skirts. I never wear make-up or paint my nails though, unless its a very special occasion. I would consider myself 99% straight. I say 99% because I've never been in a relationship with a woman, I've never desired to be in one, and I am very much in love with my boyfriend and will probably marry him and that will be the end of that. But ... I have always wondered. In middle school, even after puberty, I really wasn't interested in boys. I had better things to concern myself with. I never had huge crushes on boys like the other girls in my class and if I did it would always be just for the sake of saying I had a crush on someone, not because I really felt anything. Really even though I liked men and was attracted to them, it wasn't really until the end of junior year of high school that I suddenly realized "HEY WOW BOYS ARE NIFTEH I WANT ONE."

But back to middle school, there was a teacher I had. A female teacher. She was my favorite teacher and I absolutely worshipped the ground she walked on. I was always hanging around in her class room after school and if any of her other students made fun of her I'd be first to come to her defense, and I think for awhile I decided that I wanted to be a sixth grade math teacher, too (until I realized I hate kids, but, not the point). I'd like to say that I worshipped her because she was really really good at teaching math, and, well, she was, but ... I don't know. I also thought she was beautiful. She had these hazel brown eyes, they were intense and expressive, they could inspire fear or admiration depending on her mood ... I still remember how it felt when she looked at me, or called on me in class. It was not normal feelings for a twelve year old girl to feel about a teacher, especially one of the same gender. But that was an isolated incident. I have never since had any particular feelings other than of friendship towards women and I strictly belong to one person now, who just so happens to be male.

But, just because it was only once, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and it scared me to death back then, because I got picked on enough for being a supposed-lesbian because me and my best friend spent like ALL our time together so they figured we must be in loooove (stupid brats) but I did worry that maybe I was a lesbian ... and I say worry because I grew up in a VERY conservative household and even in the 90's being gay wasn't accepted the way it is now. But I am rambling. Anyway those are my experiences on the subject if anyone cares

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:50 pm

I feel so young.
.______.

>.> But yes. I'm a rabid lesbian and kind of butch, but i love skirts, so long as they come to my ankles. <3 Though i'm not too fond of dresses, i like being able to wear two peice things. ._.
>.> I look like a crossdressing guy with boobs when I wear girlclothes, though. A fairly okay-looking, androgenous one, but still.
XP My girlfriend is the same way, only she doesn't like wearing dresses often.

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:57 pm

I, uh... oh dear. Gender expression. I'd cross-dress now and then, if I quite understood how, and if my breasts wouldn't, you know, throw off the whole look. Most of my clothes aren't super-femmy anyways. *checks* Wow, except today. Tight jeans and a transparent-backed shirt. This is unusual. XD

But that's not to say I identify as masculine. As makeup-less bisexual nerd-girls go I'm a pretty femmy one, and most of my internal aspects are female, and I like that... but I also like diking around with gender expression some days, you know? Someday I'll wear a tux to a formal event, just because. *cackles* My parents both freaked when I mentioned wearing a tux to grad. Just mentioned, even! Imagine what they'd'a said if I wanted to actually wear one! But the again, after raising two boys, my mihther wanted a girly daughter to dress up in shiny pretty dresses, and I imagine that won't ever change. XD

Um, tangent, sorry. Despite my comfort with my femininity, I have trouble with labelling myself as definitively female, because of the way that male/female is such an incredibly binary split. To say 'I gender identify as FEMALE!' for me personally, would be tantamount to declaring to the world that I shun my mascuine aspects. And I LIKE my mannish moments, really! I wouldn't want to play them down any more than I'd want to play my femininity down!

Like sexuality, my personal beliefs hold the conviction that gender, and gender expression, are a whole palette of varied colors and in-betweens, rather than simple binary, plain black-and-white. Sex -- the physical aspect of gender -- is just one aspect of it and even biological sex has exceptions and quirks and all sorts of fun differentiations.

Addendum: re Astra: Yes. Exactly. :3 That's how it goes. You are absolutely warranted to tell the world that you're straight, because that's how you see yourself, and that's how you plan to live your life. Power to you!

re DNS: +yes for mild androgeny. :D That's one I could never pull off. I've got the hips and the breasts and... yeah. But I love androgeny, as a look.

Samber · Post by **Samber** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:59 pm

Now I feel all left out.... lol.

I'm straight if anything, always have been and always will be. I say, if anything, because I have yet to be in a serious relationship... but since I can't stand most girls, and just love to be around (and look at, mmm....) guys, including one or two in particular. And the one or two times I made an 'oops' (remember, peeps: NEVER assume that a character and player are the same gender) were so freakin' embarassing, that I feel fairly certain.

Cy · Post by Cy » Wed May 31, 2006 5:46 pm

Boobs = Ace Bandage.

Trust me.
I have 34Cs and an Ace Bandage, wrapped right, makes me flat chested. Then I throw on a wifebeater, baggy jeans, and pull my hair in a baseball cap and yay for tomboy Cy! Those are days when I get tired of dudes hitting on me though, or if one of my female friends needs a friend to keep the boys at bay.

Panda: This is my BOYFRIEND Cy!
Dude: Your boyfriend looks queer.
Cy: Your face looks queer...
Panda: *Giggles*

Good times.
I can be a pretty boy or a pretty girl. All depends on the makeup ^_^ Yay for androgeny.

=3

But yes, ace bandages, or those little bone-less fat reducer corset-wanna be things work. Just don't wear shirts /too/ tight with them.

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Wed May 31, 2006 5:48 pm

I have neither of those things~ And i need them, as it's harder for my baggy clothes to conceal things~

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Wed May 31, 2006 5:57 pm

... how can you do that and not feel SQUASHED, Cy? XD XD XD :: doesn't think she could ::

Mystic Dragon · Post by **Mystic Dragon** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:05 pm

-.- I'm already flat-chested to the point that some old man mistook me for a guy. But I wanna be a girl!

Post by **Dray** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:06 pm

Holy crap, I leave for work and I get back with this whole big convo' that I missed out on! XD I'm going to jump in now, don't mind me.

@Shi: I'd really hesitate to agree with that particular raised-by-parents-makes-you-gay-or-not theory. O_o' At least, 'you'll likely identify as a lesbian if you don't have a strong mother-figure to look up to'. I relate more closely to my mother, if anything, and while I'm not 100% a lesbian, I'm certainly not straight. (Obviously. XD Dur.)

Crap, there's so much to reply to, I don't think anything else really stuck out at me that made me want to poke back.

Well, save for Astra and Samber and Mystic for being straight but still being open-minded and friendly with us queerer types. XD

Two genders really isn't enough, I agree. :\ Like... right now I don't even know /what/ I am and I'm not really sure where to start looking. Me, I like looking like a 'pretty girl' and I rarely had any close male friends as a kid, but for some reason everything that comes out of my head is masculine (I know that sounds silly, but for instance: I feel a lot more at ease playing male characters during RP, or even touting them around similarly to Yakima's Segs-muse or anyone else who uses those kinds of terms.) O.o' And I'm not exactly sure how I'd even classify my sexuality, since while I've been a stable, lovely relationship for over two years with another woman, I still find guys perfectly attractive, and if I met someone online who was whatevergender (Like said before, we're all pretty 'neutral' until we start putting up flags, right?) that I liked, I probably wouldn't care what they ended up being in real life. XD

I'm confusing myself. Nooo!

Also, at Mystic: XD I'm flat-chested, too. But it can be fun anyways! You just have to find the right clothes, I guess!

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:08 pm

yay for confusing~! and that's right, i didn't thank them for that. ._. i kind of took it for granted.

Sorry~ -hugs samber and mystic and astra and all the other absolutely awesome nonhomophobic strait peeps- you all get love~

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:08 pm

D: Cy, my breasts ache in empathy.

Seriously! I don't think I could do that... cool as it is. XD I have what I refer to as emo-nipples. My breasts don't like to be squashed for long periods of time. It hurts!

*chinstrokes* Hmm... nuu... actually, I still would rather have boobs than not. ^^;

Post by **Dray** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:10 pm

>.> Though I think that I'd like to give that a try. >:D I have a flat enough chest that a little tape would make things nicely androgynous in that area. *identical chin-strokes* XD I just want to make sexy-clothing that isn't the stereo-typical 'girl' stuff. *dorkdorkdork*

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:13 pm

I made the mistake of ducttaping them down once. ._. my poor boobies. ;-;

Mine don't usually complain, but there isn't much there. >.>

PS emonipples is the best term ever. I can't stop giggling.

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:14 pm

I think you should give it a try. >3 (Because yes, that would be so hot. :O) Can I take you to Value Village sometime soon, darling? I want to get some prettied-up clothes too. :D

Mystic Dragon · Post by **Mystic Dragon** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:15 pm

XD Well the problem is that I'm a tomboy through and through. It's my own bloody fault that I get mistaken for a guy! Big boots, camo pants, baggy shirts, and no make up. I have two skirts which I rarely, if ever, wear. Although I do like to indulge my feminine side sometimes with tank tops and short shorts, I feel more comfortable in 'manly' clothes, doing 'manly' things. UFC, sports, field work, card games, and all that kind of stuff. /That's/ what I'm interested in.

-.- The down side is that it makes me one of the guys /permenently/. I might as well become asexual, cause so far I've met no guys who seriously want to date a girl who acts like one of their guy friends. Oh sure, some /say/ they do, but it's a completely different story when they meet me.

Cy · Post by Cy » Wed May 31, 2006 6:19 pm

Value Village = Love

My bro and I were in there a few weeks back, and found this plain red shirt in there that said "Could it be SATAN?" across the front of it. We bought it for the laughs. Then he wore it to Carowinds [themepark] on the Joyfest Christian Music day!!! Omggoodtimes.

And I'm one of those people that does anything for fashion. Sort of. Then again I'm an aspiring model, so no pain no gain, eh? Plus I'm just weird XD I was the girl who in 3rd grade buzzed her head, wore plaid button up shirts, jeans, and combat boots. And played sports with the boys.

If you had told me back then I was a girl, I woulda laughed at you. I only used the girl's bathroom because I couldn't pee cleanly standing up. v.v

But that is a good thing about being a girl. You can always make money by betting a guy that you can pee higher than him on a wall without touching anything. Works better if the guy is drunk though. I've made about 300$ this way.

XD

Mystic Dragon · Post by **Mystic Dragon** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:21 pm

o.O How the HECK do you do that?

Post by **Dray** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:23 pm

Ow OW! D: When you use duct-tape you /always/ add some kleenex over the nipples! *cringes and covers her breasts in sympathetic pain* ;______;' I have no idea how people get their nipples pierced, I can't even contemplate tape-rippage.

Aww, Mystic! ;.; *hugs* If I knew some guys like that I'd hook you up! ^^;

Cy: XD You're crazy, it's great.

JKat: :D Can we can we? I need a new pleather skirt since my old one ripped. ;.;

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:23 pm

XD Oh god, that makes me cackle. I couldn't do it. I'd end up.. uh... ew.

Oh, that's another thing I'll do someday: shave my head. :3

*Edited to Add*

>D Yes. Of course. *licks* Um... make that two weeks from now, I guess, since I work m/t. But then we can spend the 'weekend' together again! ... iiif I get those days off. o____o

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:24 pm

Tape rippage hurt A LOT. but thanks for the suggestion, i'd never thought of that. it makes sense! ;-; i wish i had thought of it.
Though getting my nipples pierced is something i want to do. ;-; i know people who got it done, and i've had other body piercings before.

Cy, i could hug you. that made me giggle, and my mom is staring~

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:05 pm

I don't really have much to say to the current subject, but I do want to say this - this is one of the most interesting and intelligent threads I've read in a long time. ^__^ It's just... interesting to read what everyone has to say.

I myself adore skirts. Would wear them all the time if it was practical(but with five dogs really isn't). Dresses? Eh - would depend on the style of dress. And I don't wear makeup unless I have too... except for nailpolish. ^^ Me? I'm decidedly straight myself, but that doesn't mean I'm not a little curious. I do believe my mom worries though - she seems truly disturbed that I cosplay male anime characters without a second thought and show very little interest in boys. *shrugs* It's just a character that I like and I have very high standards and heck, most of the time I don't even notice there was someone there! (mom - "That boy seemed to like you..." me- *looks up from book* "Who?") XD

*pout* I tried that Ace bandage thing once, I couldn't figure out how to wrap 'em to get them to stay still. I looked pretty silly up on stage at Sakuracon - I was supposed to be a boy but I too... bouncy. XD My mom tried to tell me that binding my beasts would cause cancer, my response? "What doesn't nowdays?"

Anyho... *shrugs*

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:15 pm

*sigh* Parents... it seems everywhere, they freak out when their kids act 'strange' in terms of gender-things. It seriously must just be a generational gap. I have a feeling this generation will grow up to be a lot harder to spook, as it were!

Cy · Post by Cy » Wed May 31, 2006 7:17 pm

I've had my nipples pierced. Actually I've had about everything pierced. I have piercing ADD, and pierce something, just to take it out a few weeks later. Nipples don't really hurt that bad to pierce, no more than earlobes. Temporary sting and you're done.

What hurts is cartiledge, such as the tops of your ears and along your nose.

Oh, and corset piercings. If you tie the ribbon through the hoops too tight, then go to stretch your arms or something, it hurts like a mother---- T.T

Examples of corset piercings, in case you've never seen them:

Post by **Dray** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:17 pm

Ooh, ouch. XD Dog-nails aren't fun, I'll bet that must be something difficult to avoid, though!

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:18 pm

I did cartlidge on myself once. it was kind of awesome in a really nasty way. i could hear the damn needle going through every layer of cartlidge. it didn't hurt, it was just amusingly gross. >.>

CORSET PIERCINGS. DNS WANT CORSET PIERCINGS. -grabbypaws-

Cy · Post by Cy » Wed May 31, 2006 7:20 pm

And the pop when the needle comes out the other side of the cartiledge is enough to make your stomach jump!

Samber · Post by **Samber** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:01 pm

Omigosh, ewwww.... *is squicked out by corset piercings* Yukyukyukyukyuk...

Ehh. Sorry.

Oh, yeah, anyone wanna see me actually looking like a girl for once? I can go dig out my prom pics... huuuuge poofy blue-purple princess dress, and curles hair, and sparklies... heh. Even my former-friend/former-sorta-boyfriend stared... But other than that I prefer more non-gender-specific clothing, 'cept for church.

Mystic Dragon · Post by **Mystic Dragon** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:17 pm

>.> Well, here's a pic of me from Anime North. Just goes to show that I prefer the macho womanly look over girlish womanly. I always pick the char with the bitch-atude and big guns.

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a241/ ... C05800.jpg

Post by **Dray** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:33 pm

XD I wish I had any decent piccies of me. I'm so camera-apathetic.