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Shiolar · Post by **Shiolar** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:25 pm

Do you want a proper form for Shirria, Dray?

Gen 01D is actually Shirra x Luera - lots of legs but no wings. I figure they'll look like fuzzy draconic caterpillars...

Mystic Dragon · Post by **Mystic Dragon** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:51 pm

Nonono, you misunderstand. :3 The shapeshifting anything comes from the other parent. I assumed the shapeshfting human came from the Hathian side. That means that they'd be able to shapeshift into either human, elven, dwarven or liron form depending on the owner's preference. Or yours. Whatever you pick. Not only that, but ALL of the black-horns would be able to shapeshift human, which I dun think you have.

And as I said, you didn't need to include any of that. I was just babbling some technical mumbo-jumbo.

dracosinfernoweyr · Post by **dracosinfernoweyr** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:24 pm

I think Eloan would be the largest of the bunch, I'm never one to put actual numbers on them but I suppose he'd be on the small to medium spectrum.

The zalor on the other hand... Cy's site says they can range from less than a foot to ten feet tall. Zigh would be on the larger end I guess, she didn't come with any stats since she's not from a breeding. A'leai might be too small. I'm thinking she's no bigger than 5 or 6 feet at the shoulder. ^^;

Xalia · Post by **Xalia** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:38 pm

Hmm...Goprin do come in red, but that makes them royal, which would mean they'd have a hard time getting off the planet...but then Miyaki made it so maybe they could... >.> I'll try to color something up this weekend...

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:36 am

I'd say Torshael (the white supernal) is technically breedable-- but it's very, very unlikely that he would, ICly ^^' Even if he weren't one of my most plot-worthy chars, he'd only want to take another pure white supernal as a mate, so there would be a possibility of him having a pure white child. White is extremely rare among supernals, and even a pair of pures might not have any pure white offspring.

However, there are other supernals out there with white in their make-up (white when paired with something else actually stands for air, in Myr's elemental system), but I don't think that color is particularly inheritable. It's like teknikats, I think: color doesn't depend so much on the parents, except in the cases of pures, and even then it's recessive. You could probably breed in any supernal to something that's largely white, and just use the bulk of the color-genes from the non-supernal parent.

And, I'll send in my Persian, then : O

And @ Xalia: Yay goprin! : D I totally want a goprin char sometime XD

Xalia · Post by **Xalia** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:02 am

Cacopheny wrote:And @ Xalia: Yay goprin! : D I totally want a goprin char sometime XD

Then write one!

I'd be glad to answer any questions you have about them if you want to try...

Post by **Dray** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:28 am

Thanks, Jess, I see what you mean now and I fixed the colour for her!

@'Shai: Woops, I didn't see the last bit about him already having a mate. If their offspring didn't have wings, I'd be happy to have one participate--preferences on red or mostly-red, though I haven't looked into their pedigrees to see if that colouration's even possible!
O.o I'm not sure about the hare-dragon. Does it have lop-ears, or straight? (XD I'm not a fan of floppy ears, is all. That's the one drawn by Gail, right? X3 I think that one was really neat, if I'm remembering properly! I'd probably end up making the wings disappear, if they're very small in the first place. X3

@Shiolar: Yes please! The link to the flight application form is here:
http://www.deviant-uprising.com/dray/BWR/bwrapp.htm
Though I'll probably end up putting her on the red section!
Lots of legs... hmm. Well, I probably won't be using something like that for a while, at least, not until I start getting into some of the more odd-looking applicants. You don't need to worry about sending one in right away, though I still look forward to seeing what they look like, out of curiosity!

@Mystic: X3 I guess the human-shifting could have come from either parent, then. I'll change all of the black horns so they can shift into Lirons, Humans, Elves or Dwarves, though the human-only shapeshifting I'll leave in for the silver-horns, since it's their mother that has that ability. ^_^;

@Kayla: Well, if you feel like it, I wouldn't mind if you sent them all in! ^_^ If you could put a size-estimate in their application form, I'll keep them in reserve until I have smaller dragons to pair them up with? (that, and I really want to get my hands on A'leai, since she's one of JKat's characters grandchildren. XD I'd like to make some offspring from her, if it's possible!)

@Xalia: They don't have to be red, if another colour is more likely to have an IC reason to run off and have children! Orangey or brownish, etc. are okay, too!

@Gail: I had a feeling that you already had plans for him, so no worries. X3 It was more of a 'ooh, if he's free I'd love to have him!', but I understand.

Myrror · Post by **Myrror** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:47 am

DF has a solid 'greyed-white' Supernal, if she ever wants to send them in.

For wingless, I have Ranyagan. He's water-based but not fully aquatic, and I need to add a personality to his stats...
http://www.edgeofshadows.com/ShadowEdge ... yagan.html

And I have a near fully white Infernal, though that would cut out full Supernals from breeding in that line for a few generations. That and would you really want six-limbed spikyness in that line? ^.^;;

TyGryph · Post by **TyGryph** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:45 am

Tebriniath and Sedorian's 04 Flurry offspring took after mama when it came to wings.

If you want to see the other Eastern types from Flurry 03, they're here: http://www.geocities.com/queen_frizzle/flurry03/

Twilight Gold Ellorinia (the only one without some hint of where she is) is mine.

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:59 am

I've got Nightflame Moonling (http://www.moon-struck.net/dragons/db/nightflame.html) and Hoshi(http://www.moon-struck.net/dragons/cloudfire/hoshi.html) ... surprisingly it seems like I don't have any other wingless draggies at the moment.

dracosinfernoweyr · Post by **dracosinfernoweyr** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:13 am

Hey, I could also submit Rivvin, A'leai's father. He's winged but he is white! XD

Mystic Dragon · Post by **Mystic Dragon** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:41 am

:3 I need to start writing all this info down. There's so much that needs to be remembered for Hathian breeding!

Neishai · Post by **Neishai** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:05 pm

Hm, sorry... Ty answered for me, with better info than I could have given. ^^; Otherwise, I would say that Sedorian would pass on the rainbowy-ness, plus Old World/Danachian/Ryslen type colors; Tebri would also pass on those colors, with a fade-to-white in some, and silvery siamese markings. You could probably breed out the wings in just a few generations... *shrug* But yeah. They aren't splitting up; it's the nature of their story/background. <3

As for m'hare-dragon, he had big ears that stood up. He also looked... not bipedal, but semi...like a rabbit or hare can be when they get up on their back legs. Y'know, I'm just going to go host his image and you can decide for yourself. I think it'd be easier. ^^;

Neishai · Post by **Neishai** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:11 pm

Aaand, here's his image, lovely art by Cacopheny. His name's Raeden by the way. ^^

Post by **Dray** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:29 pm

Myrror, Ranyagan's awesome! :D I'd love if you sent in a form for him!
Believe it or not, I've already got a white-ish Infernal or two in my records (from IceCat, I believe! X3) I'm not planning on adding any 'evil' types or traits into the whites yet, though I'm thinking about it, later down the line. I'm all set for that, but I'll start hara--I mean, asking people politely for those kinds of dragons/breedable creatures when I come down to it.

@Ty: Aww, their images don't appear to be working for me! Actually, every image beyond Nallivain and Nerriea's seems to be broken! O.o' Weird!

@Astra: If you'd like to send in a form, I'd be happy to take both of them! :)

@Kayla: >_> Two of Sake's progeny in the BWR? >:D Please!

@Mystic: Pleeease do! XD You know I'm bound to eff things up from time to time. I'd be happy if you had some info added to your Warren info section, along with all of that stuff about breath weapons and colours and stuff! X3

@Neishai: I'll probably pass on your mated pair and offspring for this, then, since I have a hard time with rainbow markings and they're not my first choice for colours anyhow. Mind, if you ever have a clutch by them, I'm still interested in snagging a child just because it would look really cool! XD Raeden is gorgeous... if you could send in a form for him I would love to work him in. Please let me know if there's any info/restrictions on him that I should know once I get down to using him? (Since I don't know where to go right away for them!)

Neishai · Post by **Neishai** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:19 pm

Oky doky! That's not a problem. I'll get him paged up for you (that link to his image will be broken, sorry... ^^;) and get his form sent in for you.

Oh! I just remembered... the Vios/Siebel giveway yielded lots of wingless dragons. I noticed that one of the clutches was parented by one of them, but I do have a male Red. I did not mention it before since I didn't think you'd want so many closely-related dragons in the bloodlines. But, I figured I might as well suggest it. ^^

And... >> Xention. *sigh* I really need to index my dragons! XD! He is a land dragon, wingless...and a shadowling from Lantessama. Another half-bunny, with big ears (not lop-eared), black shadowy fur that GLOWS with red star-stuff. ^^

GAH I fleeeee... D:

Edit: I should mention that Xention is tricky and can phase in and out like a wraith. Can't remember if he can hover/levitate or not, but he's a shadow, so who knows. ^^

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:23 pm

:: squeaks :: And here I was thinking about how cool it'd be to see your hare-dragon bred! : D :: still has the page with him on it sitting on her scanner XD ::

Post by **Dray** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:18 pm

XD I feel like a dork for asking, Neishai, but why don't you just link the image you put up to his stats page for now? Will the page eventually get a working link? (I just need to know so that I have the image to link back to in the pedigree charts and all!)

Hey, I know Xention! He was in my Fur&Feathers thing! :D *grabs and cuddles him* He's the best! ^_^

Unyko · Post by **Unyko** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:38 pm

*feels silly for offering, with so many other pretty dragons, but does anyway* ^.^;;

I've got this guy, if you want to use him.. I can ink and color him up pretty quick if you do. *timid* Any color, too.. ^.^;;;

Post by **Dray** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:39 pm

O_O That guy is so cool! :DDDD

How about white-ish, if you're going to colour a template of 'im? I would love to have him contribute at some point! So cute! XDD

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:42 pm

... o.o Uny, are you planning on doing a giveaway for that'n, too? o.o :: hopes : D ::

Unyko · Post by **Unyko** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:43 pm

Yayyy! ^.^ *dance* I'll do that pretty quick then! I've also got another couple of wingless dragons, but they're not scanned yet.. then again, it seems as though you've got more than enough offers as it is. XD

Caco: XD Eventually.. there are three of his 'type' that I'm gonna give out.. Sea, Earth and Sky. They're all similar, the same general layout, but in different elements. ^.~!

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:57 pm

:: camps out to wait for 'em, then : D ::

Skysong · Post by **Skysong** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:04 pm

*joins in the camping out* XD

..*also decides she may as well show off her hopeful wingless red boy with the opal zits* >_>

Omniwite · Post by **Omniwite** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:44 pm

The only wingless dragons I have is Piet (Maix's sister) and my Lantessama Halloween dragons from '04 (Sword and Dagger clutch), though those are more humanoid. :/ Not very helpful over here, but it looks like you've got more than enough already. ^^

Neishai · Post by **Neishai** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:51 pm

Yes, I adore my Xention. ^^ <333

Um, honestly I could link the image, but I just like to keep everything organized and all I did was slap the image up without a solid plan in mind... I don't have a place for him yet. I have several continuities he could fit into and I just wanted to get the image up so you could look at him. ( I thought you didn't need him right away for breedings? ^^; )

Um, I'm thinking of putting him up into a new clan of animal-dragons, like my tarati (animal-humanoid/anthros) but he always screams psychotic Easter dragon...and I have a cast of holiday misfits that would adore him. So you see my problem. *shrug*

But, if you need all his relevant stuff _now_ I could wring out my brain.

Post by **Dray** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:11 pm

@Unyko and Sky: >:D Such pretties, my precious! *pets the lot of them!*

@Omniwite: O_O Sword and Dagger clutch? I've always kicked myself for missing out on those... but if I either of them are remotely black, red or white... Can I look at them, at least? XD I likes them so!

@Neishai: Don't worry about getting him up right away... I was just confused about that. Having things organized is good! Take your time until you have a place for him... I look forward to seeing him when he's up! :D I'd love to sneak Xention, if I could! Are the Land Shadows related to True Chaos'?

Omniwite · Post by **Omniwite** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:33 pm

Well, they were mostly skin-toned, though I don't know about breedings for them. As far as I know, none of the dragons from that clutch have ever been bred. You could probably just go wild with them. ^^ I don't have stats pages for them up (I really should, though...), but it wouldn't be too difficult to get them up. I have Pendulum Brann, Double-Sword Kriag, and Piano String Lynesse. Let me know if you want to take any, and I can get them up asap.

Unyko · Post by **Unyko** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:38 pm

*hums innocently* Here ye go, Dray. ^.~ I'll have him named and up on a stat page soonishly, too. *salute!*

http://unykness.pegaruny.com/Lliyani/Sa ... taur-1.gif

..Unless you want him... X3

Neishai · Post by **Neishai** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:00 pm

*looking this up as I post* First of all, Xention's papa Lerion came from a Wild Clutch in which the parents were unknown. Air, Land, and Sea types all hatched from it. ;>> Land types seem to be RED in color. Whee! =D... True Chaotics and Wilds seem to be separate types.......but the current Shadow Clutch is a cross of Wild and True Chaos, and will, it seems have an unknown outcome. o.o

Info page. Apparently, True Chaotics are inherently evil whereas the Wilds simply don't know the difference between right and wrong and will follow a bond's example. (Obviously, they still have a mind of their own... *pokes Xention* XD )

Hope that helps. ^^

Sorry for confusing you... I'm a bit under the weather today with a nasty, brain-shattering cough plus lotsa distractions like family going "lets go to the store noooow!" XD;;; I'm not distracted, stressed, or frustrated! Oh no!

But yeah, um... I'll get Xention over to you. Then, soon... maybe tonight? Raeden, the now-famous hare-dragon. <333

Edit:
Unyko~ Your art is beautiful. ;.; I saw the current giveway dragons, the sea-type ones, and just about fell over. So wonderful. <3