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I'm sure that most of us are familiar with Pern and its stories to whatever extent that we know it's now considered our 'Old World'. A world where dragons fight the extra-worldly Thread and yaddayadda....

And most of us admit that it's essentially flawed. From the mistakes that Anne made in measurements to the bad science of the 'ichor' and whatnot, adding whatever she felt like exploring at the time (dolphins! DNA! gypsies! they're cooool!). Aside from the fact that most of the books are pretty poorly written, of course, the world itself has always proved fairly fun for people to gather in and write about. It's a big world, with a long history.

... But I would so have written Pern differently.

I'd like to explore at least in *my* post, how I'd have changed the world of Pern and written essentially the same planet with updated differences. I'd love to hear what YOU lot might do or change, but not JUST for the Pern stories. Is there a set of books, a movie, a TV show, etc etc that you love but just have Issues with? Please - by all means... Show off your choices and how you'd Do It Better.

*** and now, my world of Pern. ***
(((Disclaimer - some of these are just my opinions and they're probably not everyone's, so just keep in mind it's MY 'how I would.' :D)))


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Let's start from the beginning. Anne McCaffrey began writing the Pern series in the late 60s. The world SHE lived in at that time was a very different place indeed, than the one which I live in now. Things that were purely science fiction were impossible then, and are rapidly becoming reality as we go into the new century. Things like genetic engineering, space travel, hypersleep, and terraforming. However it's not just the technology that's markedly different here. The very world which the colonists would have sprung from *is* a different one than she'd be exposed to then.

So with the changes in place, I obviously have a different view of how Pern would have been colonized at all, and how those colonists might have behaved.

First shot: Colonization is hard work but it's not for the peasants.
-- The bulk of people in McCaffrey's Pern seem to have devolved back into a fanciful midieval society regardless of their origins as space farers from an advanced culture. While I don't have problems believing that the events which *she* described would have led to this, I wouldn't have allowed them to come to pass in the first place.

-- Colonists = scientists. Load that ship with the raw materials in order to provide safe shelters, labs and terraforming equipment that will give them a leg to stand on in the new world. Scientists are not farmers. Don't treat them as though they must be in order to colonize a new planet. They're not the bulk of the people who are meant to show up *later*. Colonies grow after all, but they must have a good footing first. Enough crops that are varied, dna and embryonic life, and the chemicals necessary to alter the planet's atmosphere if need be (not in bulk, but perhaps in a domed area, a cordoned off place if the rest of the world is that inhospitable.

Scientists are smart. Technology today far surpasses what it used to be. If I were in a scientific colonization effort I'd want to make *damn* sure that the world I was on was safe tectonically, geologically, radiologically and whatever else before setting one toe on it. I'd certainly have made a detailed examination of all the bodies in the nearby system to make sure another planet might not be a *better* choice. So at this point we have one major divergance.

"That big ass red thing sure has an erratic orbit, and sure does have a close pass to the planet we're meant to be landing on. Let's detail it's gravity and radiation effects first."

They might not have discovered the Thread's 'function' when sending probes to the Red Star, however they certainly would have discovered viral/bacterial materials in the gaseous planet. On bringing them back to their ship, perhaps, they'd find the Thread growing at an alarming rate - or maybe they wouldn't.

Second Shot: Or maybe, they'd put two and two together. Here is a planet, now named Pern, that shows *no old-growth forests* and a lot of strange pockmarking that's clearly not because of spaceborne impacts and meteor showers. Seeing how the Thread bacterium has a casing that (apparently) dissolves at high heat and accelleration - mmmmm, atmospheric entry? They'd be able to see first hand how organic material is affected by this spore-like stuff. But again, that's kind of a later effect. For now, let's go to the nest step.

Third Shot: They wouldn't build in a volcano no matter *how* desperate they were. A volcano is a volcano. 'Extinct' volcanoes on earth - like the Yellostone Basin - explode all the time. A simple computer simulation of the geological topography would reveal 'hey that's a volcanic crater/bowl'. Much better locations would be available. Since Anne didn't leave Pern with any viable equatorial land, both poles will be the only place to head, so the community is going to have to be cold most of the time. I don't know all that much about Pern's axial tilt (my DLG2P is in storage) but the idea that the Southern continent is so lush and warm... is bunk. As anyone who lives in Chile or Argentina will tell you... Most of the land mass that is described in the DLG is non-equatorial, temperate zones. Good for certain crops, lousy for others.

Fourth Shot: Now, assuming that the scientists are building their homes, labs and shelters from the ready-made equipment in their ship, lightweight metals and probably 'spraycrete' like insulation materials are already a mainstay of prefab homes today. I can't see why they in the time between 'now in real life' and 'when they leave earth' newer even more compact materials wouldn't be invented.

There is not going to be a severe loss of life or technology because some dumbass decided to land on a volcanic crater. The volcano will still *go off*. That will lead to the typical dark skies, rain of ash, and smog just like earthly ones do, but life will easily go on. But by now they will likely have discovered that a lot of their favorite animal life and plant crops are *not* suited to the land.

They're genetic engineers for gawd's sake. You're gonna tell me that Kitty Ping couldn't have found a way of making orange trees grow on that soil? ... Mmm, soil samples! Say, there's that weird residue of that spore crap we found in the gas of the Red Gas Giant. 1 + 1 = 2. woah, this planet's plant life grows at *an astonishing rate!*

*Because it's wiped out every 200-400 years.*

Well THAT sucks arse, doesn't it! Is the clock ticking? *checks the trajectories and orbits on the computer* OH CRAP!

Fifth Shot: Assuming that they're not dead from the volcano... The colonists are starting to work on new food stuffs, either by breeding or by engineering them. Try out a few of the local things...

((( An aside: I'm going to ignore the appaling bad science of 'ichor' for the moment. If it's so damn different, not even based in the same chemicals as us, *we could never possibly eat it*. I'm gonna just ... gloss that over.)))

Wherry - big ass ostriches? We've got ostriches, what about *cross breeding them*? Maybe, maybe not. Whatever works. Assume that the colony will have enough food to last them until they've got several generations of small food stock like chicken or pig. (or the local equivalent.)

But in the meantime, the hardcore scientists are working out this Red Planet menace thing. The clock IS ticking. Saaaay.... those little bitty flying lizards are adorable. They act like ducks - impressed to their parent if the parent sticks around... Fly almost the moment they hatch, good at catching insects... And they breathe fire. Well, with some help. Like some parrots in jungles that eat 'hot foods' (spicy chemicals found in the berries and pods) they use calcium deposits on river banks to settle their stomachs. It appears that these little Fire Lizards do a similar thing with the coal-like deposits around the grounds. But why?

Why develop something like this?

... A few years later, of course, the answer will be obvious. These creatures are a natural 'antibody' to their local area. They grow just as quickly as the plant life, which is probably by now overtaking some of the colonists homesteads. Ever watch a jungle plant grow in its ideal conditions? It's not like watching paint dry, it's more like watching a sped up stop motion picture. The biology of the animal life is similar, exceptionally fast growth spurts.

Now, aside from the fact that any scientist today would just set up a kind of laser satelite array to deal with Thread, let's say they don't have THAT much spare parts. They're going to have to deal with Thread no matter what.

So Kitty to the rescue right? But Kitty's smart. (And safe, not under a bloody volcano.) She will want bigger versions of fire lizards all right.

But not *that* big.

Sixth Shot: Size counts? Not here. It's always been a pet peeve of mine that the people of Pern bred for size and not speed. A large number of quick, durable and small dragons could do the job of those gigantic breeders, easily and with less stress all around.

One: they're smaller and therefore eat less and take up less space. If they are bred for small size and quick speed, they do not have to worry about gigantic wing-size. Displacement issues are key here: a queen has something like 5 times the surface area of a green, yet she *cannot flame* and has no business being in the air in the first place. All that wing mass is sweeping through the SAME air that Thread is moving through.

A small fast dragon on the other hand, one with a wingshape like a swift or a falcon's, instead of a condor's, would be able to avoid most clumps of Thread far more easily than a big one. Who fucking cares if the dragons aren't huge? They don't need brains - they need to do their job.

Two: domesticated animals = better than wild animals with a lobotomy. Dragons would not need either intelligence nor empathy to survive. All they'd need is the domesticated habit of getting food from humans, praise perhaps, and they'd be easy to train their own basic fire lizard instincts up into combat-worthy troops. I can see these domestic, small sized dragons remaining about the size they were with the first clutch, draft horses with wings. And draft horses are keenly intelligent, that's about all you'd need for dragons.

Three: breeding them would be quick and painless. Why bother with queens? Greens *are* fertile, the fertility thing was (as I recall) something bred into them, was it not? It doesn't matter if you have one large clutch of 40 or 10 clutches of 4. They'll grow up in a matter of two or three short years, and be fertile. A large clutch requires a large amount of space. Small dragons = small space for not only living and eating, but breeding as well.

If large sized dragons are a must-have, they'd certainly become the transportation and construction workers of the dragon world. Not the fighters. Queens are, as of the last few books and eras in Pern, the size of a 100+ passenger JET AIRPLANE. One person cannot take care of a dragon that size. One person has a hard time taking care of a Clydesdale horse alone. (And these are scientists, remember, not stable hands.) Two disparate races of dragons might be grown at leisure, but certainly not in the first Pass.

Seventh Shot...: Because the society isn't essentially wiped out and taken by surprise either by a volcanic eruption or Thread, the society on Pern digs in and maintins itself as a well-educated one.

One of the biggest pet peeves I've had about the world of Pern, is that the people devolved dramatically into a world just like the one which Anne was familiar with (of course). One which is Feudal, brutal, and wholly un-friendly to women.

Kitty Ping would have had a few things to say about that, I think. As a group of scientists, I'm positive that they'd not neglect their children's educations. They would expect their children to excell just like they did, in a field appropriate. Continue experimentation, continue to learn, fleshing out the biological surveys of the world, and continue most sure, to study the Red Gas Giant. They wouldn't let that thing out of their sight - not that it'd go away...

Birth control would be used, encouraged, to control the rapid growth of humans until they're sure to have a strong foothold. A *democratic* form of government would likely evolve, though possibly Socialist (I can only dream of that), but certainly not feudal. Are these scientists kids so stuck on themselves that becoming 'landed' on a planet where *no one owns anything yet* is important? I would assume that a community built by scientists would not have a problem *sharing*. Especially when it means *surviving*. If cockroaches can do it, so can we.

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This might bring up some very keen differences between Anne's pern and mine. Would they have ever developed 'timing it'? Why would they need to? If they have a viable guard force against the threat, they really woulnd't much need it. However, teleportation is one of those elusive things that perhaps Humanity hasn't explored in their history. Maybe they couldn't do it with technology, but with the natural ability that the Fire lizards have, teleportatation might become the next issue of dragon breeding.

In the years between a Pass, when dragons aren't needed for defense, but are certainly already a part of the community, like warhorses they could become something new. Breeding for speed and *racing* them. Breeding for endurance, or teleportation distance... By the time the next Pass occurred, you might very well have dragons that can teleport 3 or 4 times the distance they'd done in the last. That makes them even more valuable, protective and workable as a species.

Would the dragons develop strong empathic urges? Who knows. I don't know that it's necessary - if a dragon dies and its rider doesn't, why would a perfectly good rider need to die along with them?

No, in my world, dragons and humans are hardly the 'symbiotic' pairs of Anne's Pern. Humans bred the things, humans control them. They're *not smart enough* to 'rebel' and they're *not inherently volitile enough* to turn on the Humans. Maybe about as much as a horse gets ornery, but it is clear to both parties that cooperation is necessary for survival. Breeding the bad ones out is just as easy as breeding the fast ones in.

When a dragon dies, another is there to take its place. They breed quickly anyway. Perhaps a longer lifespan and a longer growth period may mistakenly be put into place during the off-Pass times, but they are still fast enough and in enough numbers that pretty much 'herding' them might work.

Quantity first, quality next. Size doesn't count in my Pern. :)





.... I think that's it... We wind up with a highly technological world with small sized fast-winged dragons (likely bred into great color schemes based on those blues and greens, too), that doesn't abuse its women or expect to sell them off for land, and that isn't merely a reflection of times better left to Earth's past.

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Honestly I really love those points you made! Giant points pern as much as a I love the ponits you make also about the dragon size.

Little horses are a huge pain in the but to take care of personly I don't want to think what an extreamly fuzzy and huge draft horse would be like.

I could see maybe after a dragons death a handler falling into a drepressive slightly suicidal phase if they had a slightly stronger link then one with a firelizard.

The point you made rule.
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*applause*

That was long, so I won't even attempt to address all the points you brought up, but bravo.

When I first read them (her books), I absolutely loved them, but I tried to go back to them after about six years, during which time I'd been doing a lot of writing on my own, and a lot more reading, and I quit after the first book. I still love some of the ideas, but her style of writing leaves something to be desired, not to mention some of the points you brought up. Sure, living in a volcano adds a few chapters and a few pages of panic and intrigue, but what's that saying about the brilliant people they sent along to set this place up? And while I understand the need for the 'common' person, I don't understand why she sent along children. Sure, they needed manual labourers, they're setting up a colony, but kids? That's just asking for trouble. And yet, I don't remember there ever really being any....(it's been a while, so I could be wrong).

And the dragon size always made me laugh. When I first read how big they were, I figured they must spend all day every day rubbing oil into their hides, because by the time they got to the tail, the head would need doing all over again.

As for the education thing, and how each progressive generation got less intelligent, I'm sorry, but if you're sending a large group of extremely intelligent people off to some far distant planet, what are the chances they aren't going to: a) keep in contact. Why would they send away their geniuses and then cut them off from their home planet? b) take along enough information that they'll not only be able to pass on what they know, but add to their knowledge, and gain insight from those people left behind. c) make sure to keep in contact, so when the home planet is too overpopulated to support the population, this lovely new barely populated planet will be able to not only take some of the population, but perhaps send back goods such as good, natural resources, etc.

And I'm going to stop there, because I really have to work on an assignment due next week. But I agree with your thoughts for the most part, Shard. Very thought-provoking, thank you.
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NATURAL RESOURCES!! lol thats what I missed.... :) we can do simple probes for ores and such right now... *snerk* There's always something more... :D

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Read and agreed with. XD Screw the Bronzes and Queens with their arrogant fat arses! Greens and Blues are the way to go!

Wasn't there something about the rest of the galaxy getting blown up or something that meant that Pern got cut off, rather then the colonists cutting themselves off, or something? o.o''
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I think there was some circumstance that did prevent them, but yeah, barring that... :) I mean come on, if we're advanced enough to colonize we're advanced enough to have isolated the bad people who want to fight, we're not gonna blow ourselves up at that point... I think there might have been something like interferance from a stellar body, like a cloud of something, like that...

Yet another reason to have avoided the place at all.... :D
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The people who went on the colonization trip went because they wanted a simpler life than the one they were leaving behind; they went to a planet that was outside their society's normal "space" deliberately and deliberately cut off contact with the others because they wanted a more agricultural/agrerian (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) lifestyle, and they were trying to avoid the attention of some of the hostile lifeforms that had attacked their former homes. (Part of the reason they chose a planet that had none of the metals needed for technology; their federation whatever had no real use for it)
They were also intending a less technologically dependant society, and planned to stop using some of their technology after a certain amount of time. The other circumstances just sped things up, and set them back farther than they planned and sooner.
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... What a freakin hippie thing to do. :D Thank you for the rundown because I knew I was forgetting stuff. :D Hell, most of my understanding of the place stems from the DLG and reading about ... 3 books... :)
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Yeah, I'm one of those (what a handful of people here, if that) that actually seems to have liked the books. While there are a few that I read once that I really don't care to read again, for the most part I reread them semi-regularly. And having recently re-read Dragonsdawn, most of that is pretty fresh.

I should really send a candidate to Tripaldi, since my brain seems to be in Pern-mode. I never did end up with any of those dragons...

*wanders off to bed, trying to think of a Pernese candidate*
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The only thing I think I'd like to point out is that the colonists that came to Pern weren't just scientists and colonies generally aren't started by scientists, though scientists would accompany them. The leaders of the colonization efforts were military and hence created a society based on militant heirarchy.

And as for keeping contact with their origins that was the whole point. They didn't want to! The people who came to colonize Pern were mostly military and civilians who were sick to death of warfare and fighting. They wanted a planet that would be peaceful where they could 'retire' and go back to the good old days when things were simple and no one constantly tried to kill everyone else. Why keep contact (and remember they were too far away to keep contact anyways) with a society that would be as likely to try to come conquer you as it would be to try to help you?

Otherwise I think you make some interesting points...but come on, it's fantasy-fiction! It doesn't have to make sense! XD Most of the dragons we draw wouldn't be able to fly, and most fantasy novels have major scientific errors, but they're based on a fantasy world so who really cares anyways? It makes a good read and that's the important thing!
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I knows, I knows... :) Still, the world's fun enough to stick with it, and honest? You know I don't criticize something this deeply if I didn't think it already held enough promise. I rarely say stuff that offers a hard critique unless I think (in this case mootly) that the creator would benefit. :)
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The one thing that bothered me about Pern was the fact that dragons suicide /between/ and also tend to dump their waste there... which doesn't really work from a scientific point of view, because essentially you're losing energy from the world... sun shines, grass grows, herbivores eat it, dragons eat the herbivores, and then all the energy that goes into them is effective destroyed at the end of the dragon's life... I'm not quite sure what the cosmic implications of that would be, but...

And... my own thoughts on what I'd've done with Pern. Given that they came to get an easier, less technological life, I can understand ditching the technology. But obviously, as Shard said, they'd at least have settled on the Northern Continent straight off, since that's not tectonically active. They'd have done geological surveys to find the best resources in the way of ores and such...

And then, using their knowledge of genetics, they'd have adapted Earth plants and animals to survive well on Pern. And as Shard said, they'd at least know about the Red Star when they landed, and so should at least be preparing to have impressive meteor showers every 200 years, even if they didn't know about the actual dangers of Thread. Course, that means that when they predict the first meteor shower, everybody would be outside so they can watch it... and then they get Threaded (okay, I'm in a 'being evil' mood today, and that touched on my sense of humour...)

Shard's thoughts on the dragons makes sense... keep 'em fairly small, because ultimately Pern is a science based world. Our dragons are impossibly large, but most of us have worlds with magic which makes it all okay. But Pern doesn't have magic... So, on the dragons, I'd prolly have kept the exclusive human-dragon bond, just because it's part of what makes Pern unique. In which case, if you want to have dragons selectively bred for Thread-fighting, racing, transportation and all the rest of it, then... I dunno. If the dragons aren't sentient, then you can go with it. If the dragons are sentient, you can probably have some fun plotness. Maybe the little racing green doesn't /want/ to breed only with that nice racing blue to make racing dragon babies. Maybe she's got her eye on that big transport brown? *shrugs*

In terms of society, I think... if all the colonists got their share when they landed, but certain ones got more, I don't think you'd necessarily end up with a feudal culture. I'd have been inclined to let it all spread out so that eventually you end up with separate countries. They are living on an entire continent, after all... And after several thousand years, there's going to be changes to the original set-up... I like the divergance to different countries for this, because it allows for slightly different cultures to develop in different ones according to the events that shape them. And so you get a lot more variety, which means more plot, story and character ideas to work with.

Maybe in one country you do have the situation where women are second class, but on the other hand, you could easily have another country where men are second class. One country does have a democracy, while another remains feudal. And imagine all of these countries being dependant on the Weyrs with their dragons.

For the education aspect, it's true that the colonists should try to hold onto it. They should know where they came from, and they should know about the star system around Pern. Just because they can't ever go there doesn't mean they should revert to thinking the world they live on is flat, after all. I think that education in Pern would have been held on to much better if it hadn't been for the loss of AIVAS and the volcano erupting and all. Since the people, in the changed version of Pern, had the sense to colonise the Northern Continent to start with, losing that knowledge isn't an issue.

But again, it all depends on which country you live in. Some probably encourage all the children to learn everything they can, whilst in others knowledge is held for the elite only. Cultural diversity is fun.
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Oh yeah the *betweening crap!* :) I wrote many a weyrling stage about that... :)

"I don't waaaaana go there!"

"Why not, Xth?"

"Because its full of dragon poop that's why!"
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I suppose if the emphasis is going to be on both rider AND dragon, yeah - it's probably a better idea to keep the bond. However all the things my little dragons would do are done by horses and their riders on earth... to rather good success I think. :) lol! But I see your point, definitely.

And I can't see *intentionally* choosing a planet with less than adequate ores. Even if you don't *intend* to export them or whatever - there's a certain level of expectations from one's technological base: gonna invent the wheel or what? Metal sure is a nice thing to have, isn't it... Tools, housing, transportation... Defensive weapons... future societies might want it... :)

It's like the Alien 3 original script wherein they were on *a planet made of wood*... what the hell can you do with wood - oh wait, without tools you can't do much. And.... say, no old-growth trees... all soft vegetation = very poor wood to build from ANYWAY... *sigh*. :)

I likes technology. I'll keep it.
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Shard wrote: I likes technology. I'll keep it.
Hear hear. Screw organic foods and stuff. I'll take the best that science can give me! :D
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I finally get around to reading this and there's a good point. One thing that always bothered me about Pern was that, assuming that they do do all the stupid things you mention, and do devolve into a primitive feudal society, then why is there still no existence of religion? People have the natural tendancy to wonder where they came from and in a world where they have no real memory of the fact that they came here on space ships, they would probably think "Hey, maybe the Dragon God created us, but uh oh, we have to make sacrifices to the Thread God! OMGPANIC!" I find it very difficult to believe that an entire planet of people living in a primitive society with virtually no science wouldn't develop ANY theories at ALL as to where they came from. But, that is just me.

That is why the new world I am working on is similar to Pern, except with limited magic (for fun), and a big overarching church figure that has altruistic beginnings but now is corrupt and wants to rule everyone. Like the real middle ages!
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Well at the 'last book' All the Weyrs of Pern, apparently Robinton discovered the bible in the stores of AIVAS. :/ The point behind Pern was originally that there *was* no religion. That was supposed to be cannon for rpg's etc. But she broke her own rules on that one. I got bored with the book about 2 chapters in, flipped to the last few pages, and never read the rest because of that.
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Well, my understanding is that there wasn't supposed to be a religion on Pern. I didn't feel that Robinton become Christian or anything, so I don't believe that a religion became established on Pern. Aivas just housed all the knowledge from the FSP. Just because he discovered the bible, a book of the ancestors, dosn'tm ean that he bacame a follower; so Ms. McCaffrey didn't really break her rule.
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It still doesn't make much sense from a sociological point of view that a primitive society like that wouldn't have religion of some kind. It's natural for people to want an explanation, and if there's no logical one, they'll turn to the supernatural. I seem to recall, back in the days when I roleplayed on Pern, there was a local group of weirdos near the Weyr who did start their own religion. Because we were one of the bad, naughty roleplaying groups that didn't follow the rules because we thought they were stupid.... We lead an extremely nomadic life, avoiding the attention of Alec.
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Yes, what I was complaining about WAS the fact that there was no religion, because that would be unrealistic, as Shiolar said, even if it is canon or what have you.
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The main reason they had no religion, according to the books, especially Dragonsdawn, was that there had been a massive war over religion and they refused to bring it (the conflict) with them. And a lot of people had stopped being religious or even believing in higher powers after said war.

And they never really say anything about the people not knowing they were from another world; most don't realize they started on the Southern continent, but they don't claim to have originated on Pern.

I may have a few details off in all that, but the religion part was talked about specifically in part of one of the books, though not in great detail
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But if they don't remember coming from another world, then they probably wouldn't remember that religion is a big no-no, either ^^
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Especially after the two thousand years between when they arrived and the first books were written. Think about how far religion on this world has come in the last two thousand years?
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