Lineage Tracker...Stuff

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:36 pm

Not to annoy anyone with my computer problems again, but I called and was informed that the problem was one really, really bad virus I had contracted. As I am unsure where I got it I'm pretty sure it was during one of my searchers for one of my dragons parantage. A host site that seemed to be the start of my problems. As searching for all these dragons is hard enough, is there some way to minimize the hunts? I know I try to help others out at Falas (and it will carry to my other sites such as Baskar, Treval, ect), by putting up as far as I can go. I don't see much help coming from this but to hunt myself but after that virus I'm paranoid to try it again...*sighs* Just wanted to throw this on the table to see what other's said. (at least those that keep track off all the lineages for the dragons...

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*notices poll at bottom...* hmmmmmm....yeah, vote maybe? i think that since each dragon would be hard to do, each clutch we have hatched or hatch (I know some places already do this...) could help. *decides against poll for right now*

Post by **Dray** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:40 pm

I'm not sure if there's any way to minimize hunts, save for harassing every person who puts out a clutch to do their best to link parents, or better yet, create some kind of pedigree chart!

If you wanted help, I'm sure a number of people would be interested in running some searches for you--not that that would help with the potential virus problems... but it's a start, I s'pose!

It'd be neat to have one massive, searchable map of all the dragons that haven't been left to space and time out there, and their parents' parents' parents' parents' parents! I don't possess the coding skills necessary to create such a thing, unfort. :\

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:43 pm

I think the coding would be easy (or I would cheat and use Word or something...) but it's compiling it. It's the reason I started my own at Falas and found them pretty easy. The hard part is when people don't list parents at all...

It was, after all, a thought... *goes to play with the nexus logo in illustrator while she's on her mac*

Silver Midnight · Post by **Silver Midnight** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:55 pm

*too lazy to make pedigree charts*

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:41 am

XP *chews Sil's face* XD Taste the rainbow of history~!

caesiusdraco · Post by **caesiusdraco** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:45 am

I'm almost tempted to do it, because it'd be an awesome project. Even if it would take forever. XD

I don't think you'd want to do it so much by dragon than by clutch, though, but it wouldn't be too excruciatingly hard. It's surprising how man have common ancestors.

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:02 am

How would it work, if you did it by clutch? All of the siblings may have various amounts of kids, as well!

(And I was thinking something along the lines of this: http://www.musicplasma.com/ , only instead of listing artists, it'd be dragons! XD)

Xalia · Post by **Xalia** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:07 am

If I ever find the time to read the book on PHP that I bought I could probably load everything into a searchable database...If you guys want to gather the info I could probably organize it and make it searchable...*ponders* Yeah, it'd take me a while to find the time though...

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:12 am

Hey, if you could find a way to list lineage that doesn't make you scroll forever in either direction... I know that Virtual Horse Ranch had a pedigree system that worked out very nicely! ^^; I'd gladly go out and start searches for various dragons in that case! (I think the best bet would be to have everyone searching for their own dragons' lineage, and where they meet then... well, let others know when they've got a pedigree done! Could even have a thread to ask people to help where they're stuck!)

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:41 am

Wouldn't something like the Wiki help, too? *shrugs* I would help, to be sure and since most of the falas pedigrees (at least current ones) are done, I can supply those rather quickly...

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:45 am

>.> Is the Wiki still going? I thought that Liam had made that, and that Knux was somehow involved?

O_o How would a wiki work, anyhow? I can't see people wanting to re-do whole stats pages... maybe just have a basic sort of thing.... like Grey's stud database? Name, gender, breed/species, colours, basic personality of about two or three words, size, special abilities, links to parents/grandparents etc. though not necessarily in that order? Any other pertinent info, if we're looking at them from a breeding-need-to-know perspective?

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:17 am

I won't put anything in the wiki, it is still up that I know of but frankly I couldn't care less about it. It isn't a format that is as 'easy' as all that to use.

Perhaps in the database section, what we could start doing for those of us who have older dragons, is zip up or transfer to word format the records of older weyrs or places we might have stored (like aden/jerdan, talor, gallimim etc - all those I have myself) for reference. I think really it's up to the people making parents list to keep them up. Not every dragon really needs a pedigree, sometimes it's kinda nice to know but I doubt its essential to every dragon out there. My pernese ones certainly aren't going to get them. I've made the attempt on mine that I've gotten as gifties or giveaways, and who already have them on their page, but I usually try to list the parents anyway.

And Yakima, if you're not using Firefox as your browser you WILL get other spyware and viruses on your computer, no matter where you browse. I highly recommend you get over whatever phobia you have of it, because it really does work best.

Silver Midnight · Post by **Silver Midnight** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:44 am

AAFDGJK! Help! I am being devoured!

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:55 am

I'd still like to see something that easily links all linkeable dragons to one another as can possibly be compiled, even if they aren't really necessary! It'd be a nifty ongoing project, I think, that everyone can contribute to whenever they feel like it.

Silver Midnight · Post by **Silver Midnight** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:59 am

I can mark down lineage for dragons I care about, and probably find the records for each clutch from RoF after going through my files. Usually I know who is related to who out of my own dragons. =3

Like Dulath --> Jishinith --> Selenyan --> Haukeath --> Fanyaramaremea -> to Niteo Ramaya and Koiri Syaess.

Faith + Nightmare --> Maya --> Henshuth --> Aldyss

>3

Mystic Dragon · Post by **Mystic Dragon** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:09 pm

I googled family tree generators, but it looks like all of them are trial only. There's no free ones.

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:00 pm

Any way to check out the code, see if there's a way for us to jury-rig it ourselves?

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:44 pm

oO Would that Nexus Wiki thing help at all? We might rig something there...

LakotaWolf · Post by **LakotaWolf** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:45 pm

If you can find one that looks decent and isn't retardedly expensive, I don't mind funding one for everybody to use. I haven't bought any commissions this month, so my "art-related fund" is still at maximum XD

::has no qualms about program-sharing... LONG LIVE THE PIRATES, ARR::

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:46 pm

Someone suggested that...

But honestly, I'd rather start a whole new one for it, rather then use the old. I don't like that it's hosted by someone who we can't get ahold of, even if he was nice the whole time the Knux fiasco was abroad. It would be nice if we could set up keywords so that searching was easy. Say... instead of saying "Avengaean Daemon half breed" we could say "Avengaea, Daemon, mutt" or something like that. If everyone kept to the format, we'd have a very easily searcheable database... we could even create some kind of pedigree using those indented bullets that wiki's seem to have lots of! :D

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:02 pm

Auugh, I missed some of the posts in there... ><; Sorry!

I was thinking for the wiki, even something like having a scarily huge list-o-dragons alphabetized or something, and you could find the dragon you're researching. Then its page could be something like,

parent1 x parent2
DRAGON sibling sibling sibling etc

x mate1
* chillun chillun chillun
x mate2
* chillun chillun chillun etc etc etc

Bare bones and simple, but you could trace them back a lonnng way through linkhopping.

oO I think one has to have a server to have a wiki though?

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:07 pm

I'm currently looking for ways on how to create a wiki. o_O Never done this before!

I'd like to see something that lists some more pertinent info about the dragon in question, as well as their relations. I know it's supposed to be all about lineage, but there may be two Narmeth's or whatever. That way it can also function as a generic searcheable database. o.o How's that sound?

And, hey, anything can be moved over to a more permanent source, if anyone is interested in creating a database from scratch!

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:10 pm

X3 I think the problem is that the more information you ask for, the fewer people are going to take part. Since this is such a voluntary thing, more information = more time-consuming = less dragons added.

Maybe lineage info would be needed, generic info asked for? After all, you could link the dragon's real page from the wiki-lineage-page!

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:13 pm

Oooh, yes! If people have spare time, they could flesh out pages, but you could start off with the bare-bones, that makes sense! @_@' Man, I do not do well with this in-depth stuff. *reading about wiki's and getting in over her head*

Skysong · Post by **Skysong** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:42 pm

Oh! Oh oh! I have a ancestry family tree program type thing ^__^ It's a pirated version and I can't remember where it is, but if I can find it I'm certainly willing to share it around.

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:45 pm

Hee, if that doesn't work, I've set up a temporary wiki here:

http://nexuspedigree.pbwiki.com

The password is 'dragon', just so you know!

Nothing has been changed yet, but I'll put up a front page and a quick intro on how to make a page for each dragon.

Anyone care to contribute what they'd like to see, here? O_o' I'd like to make the wiki as uniform as possible, so there's not, like... a billion random things that make searching difficult.

Suggestions?

Silver Midnight · Post by **Silver Midnight** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:12 pm

*idly plays with her fingernails* Full and complete pedigree up for Aldyss according to your template.

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:14 pm

>_< The template is still under major revision, you may have to change it.

JKat and I are looking for ways to make categories, so that you can view dragons listed by colour, breed, gender, etc. etc. etc. Does anyone happen to have Wiki-skeelz? (Phe, I'm looking straight at you! XD) who can prod us in the right direction?

Silver Midnight · Post by **Silver Midnight** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:15 pm

Oh well! I'll do this for requested dragons only, I think, because some pedigrees are hard to track. I could track all the wraith dragons, though, because they all descended from one pair..

*EDIT* Oh, I did add in half-siblings by parents.

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:18 pm

Whatever you wanna put up, Sil! Just hold off for a few more minutes/hours while we revise that template :3 (and in the meantime, please suggest things to help make the template more complete! >.O We keep forgetting stuff!)