Alskyrian x Pernese colours?

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:55 pm

Just wondering if I've got this right:

Alskyrian dragons have a certain colour-set, and all colours within that set are equal, right? And we all know the Pernese schpeil with the gold and the bronze and the bitty brown/blue/greens. XD

Does anybody know if there's a 'proper' way for Pernese/Alskyrian pairs to work, offspring wise? Is a rank set bestowed on Alskyrian colours? Are greens and blues made more equal to the rest of 'em?

...Just curious!

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:56 pm

I think it really depended upon each site... But their rank itself among other riders was determined purely by ability, not by color. I'd imagine that the individual colors did differ by size a little, particularly with pern/alskyr cross clutches (and potentially, those born on pern but clutched at alskyr for their offspring?).

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:27 pm

You know, my head has been playing with Alskyrian-fiying my Pernese code to figure that out.

I just can't figure that out...

The pernese code (XGwdF Y or XgwDF Rr BB) would nearly be obsolte. Unless, for size purposes, you kept them. But that would give you the same size ranges as the Pernese and I tend to have the "average"/"medium" sizes more common. *blink* So that has be baffled.

H/h could still be used for the color's shade.
L/l isn't really...natural...so I don't know...
U/u may still work...i'm sure some Alskyrian dragons appear clouded or something. >.<
C# may be what "determines" the color for the Alskyrian dragon being they're so even. I dunno...it would have a seperate color set then the Pernese, obviously (at least by my/the FGPC's book).
T#, same thing. Not sure how many two-tone dragons hatched naturally.
The speckle stuff I see happening just like the Pernese because I have at least two dragons that are speckled-ish. white rainbow Lyraeth and purple silver...can't remember her name. So I can see that happening just as I have it.
And the multiple dragon could remain as I have it.

*shrugs*

I dunno...it's momstly the gender stuff and color that has be baffled. My two marks...cents...or dollars considering how long it is. heeehee

Post by **Dray** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:16 pm

I don't know if I need things broken down on a genetics level; right now I'm just wondering if there are any weird mixings or rankings or personalities that go with colours that I should know about if I want to make some offspring more up to code with what Alskyr has to offer!

(I'm mostly asking because I have a pairing for further down the road that I'm planning on running. Maybe giveaways, not sure yet. X3 One of them was from Shard's Alabaster/Blackstone giveaway, and I just noticed her 'notes' section in the tables!)

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:20 pm

I always figured it was gold/silver/bronze being equivalent to gold/bronze, and cream/brown/red was equivalent to brown, and green/blue/purple was equivalent to green/blue. But I could be completely wrong about that, and I might have red and purple confused. I think that every site had its own way of doing things, though.

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:42 pm

Yeah I broke mine down:

Gold, Bronze = high
White, Silver, Black = rare, can be either high or low but generally high
Slate, Copper = medium high -- these weren't originally Alskyran colors as I recall, I added them because I liked them.
Brown, Cream = medium
Purple, Red = medium low
Green, Blue = low

Some sites had "all gendered" colors, meaning each color could be male or female with maybe some predisposition toward a particular gender. I didn't except in the case of coppers, slates, whites silvers and blacks. For me, Gold, Cream, Purple, Green = female,
Bronze, Brown, Red, Blue = male,
Slate and Copper were more often male, but I did give out some females, white and black were kind of whatever.

delyar · Post by **delyar** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:24 pm

I mainly interacted with Caer Brynmor when it was active and there was no distinction there. However, I did notice that my characters went through "typing" like Astra posted (ie, a character that would've gotten brown in Pern got cream/brown/red). Every Caer was super different though.

I really liked the way you handled Isoshath and Qutteth's clutch at S.C.D., to be honest. It seemed like the perfect mix/balance. (Yes I may be biased because I own the daddy...)

Keilin Alyr · Post by **Keilin Alyr** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:08 pm

I've been trying to work Alskyrians with the info I saw posted at Caer Brynmor and on the main world site, this in particular:

"Dragons are large creatures, and all are the same size, no matter their color. Dragons range in size from 30 to 50 feet long, and their size is not color specific."

I think what a lot of people have been using as a rank or size hierarchy was meant to be color wheel of sorts. Cool colors (green, blue, purple), warm colors (brown, cream, red), metallics (bronze, silver, gold), chromatics (black, white). I know Ryslen themed some warm and cool clutches.

Supposedly, at least at world-conception, no color was supposed to be ranked above another. Green was supposed to be equitable to black/white (which at most Caers were the rarest colors), and I think a few Caers tried it. It's a hard ideal to live up to when green/blue = cannon fodder, brown = boring, gold/bronze = ooh, look-at-the-shiny, white = author's pet Mary Sue (even though I did like Ruth) is drilled into you for years.

As for Pernese-Alskyrian... if one wants to be purist, you can treat the Alskyrian like any brown-to-gold ranged dragon. Realistically, I like Shard's size charts, and I've been using something kinda similar when I have a dragon of Alskyrian color but not Alskyrian lineage.

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:18 am

Slate and copper are pretty great, too bad there aren't more of them! XD If I had to split by gender I'd probably do slate as female and copper as male, just because it seems the warm colours are more likely to be male and the cools to be female. o.o

Well, maybe I will do a variety of styles! I intend there to be more than one clutch, so there's lots of time to play around with it. X3

TyGryph · Post by **TyGryph** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:18 am

http://www.geocities.com/east_rock_territory/FFF.html
This is something I wrote several years ago now, but it's still mostly how I run things. Doesn't help much with the ranking issue, I'm afraid.

It's ... more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:53 pm

XD, I know Dray. I just thought I'd post it because it's baffling me. I have some Alskyrian/Pernese crosses, tis why. XD

I "rank" my Alskyrian dragons often by size, personality, and the rider's abilitiy to lead. I even have non-bonded dragons as Wingseconds. I kind of follow the same "rules" as Shard but like was said, after being on Pern so long it's hard not to break the mold that I'm use to. Like with greens. LOL

XD

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:55 pm

There needs to be a couple of green wingleaders just to even the score a little. X3

Greenleader: "We must rise up and fight our oppressive metallic overlords!"
Pernese Greens: "Does this harness make me look fat? :D"
Greenleader: "¬_¬ Maybe not...

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:00 pm

LOL...Dray, I am going to designate a Wing for just greens now...thanks! XD (oh, that would throw J'ren for a loop! *smirk*)

delyar · Post by **delyar** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:02 pm

I have a blue wingleader, does that count? :P Female blue, may as well be a green.

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:07 pm

It counts, it counts!

Ty, thanks for the link; it was interesting to read, and I am a sucker for colours == personalities. Will it be transferred over from geocities or should I save it before it goes poof?

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:28 pm

*cough* jeremoth *cough*

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:45 pm

*grins at Shard* I already figured you had a green Wingleader. LOL

I have a Wingsecond who is a blue...Mixuith is the size of a blue but he's bronze where he hatched so...yeah, he don't count. LOL

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:57 pm

That's Shard's blue

Actually in Dragonhope they've got a green Wingthird or second, she's very proud of herself.

Keilin Alyr · Post by **Keilin Alyr** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:06 pm

I remember Jeremoth! I also remember when Shard Impressed. Good times, those. ^_^

I know I had a Wing somewhere (probably Aster) dedicated to blues, greens, and whites, no others. It was meant to be a pure support Wing IC, but OOC I just liked the idea of a crazy bunch of really fast, twirl-on-a-wingtip Thread fighters. Can't remember for the life of me what color led the Wing though. ^^;

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:07 pm

Ah...I always thought Sixth was Shards. Shows how much I know. LOL XD

*nods at Keilin* Yep, I was going to have K'yis brance off from K'man and have a wing of sport-sized dragons primarily. But K'man's wing is already that, sorta. K'man's wing has a lot of sport sized dragons and are well known for kicking some Thread-butt in the air.

Sport dragons are very good to have, as far as K'man is concerned. LOL. XD

I think a lot of us have a wing or two that is hardly cannon-book style. Heehee...we're all rebels! Yay!

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:16 pm

A sport/small size wing would be fantastic in the Interval years: can you imagine the air-shows? XD

(I'm totally derailing my own thread. My specialty!)

Yakima · Post by **Yakima** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:19 pm

*grins* Yeah...little dragons darting around confusing the poor people on the ground...if they could see them from that far. Guess the "distance view" would come in handy. LOL

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:38 pm

Hehehe, Sixth is Kalkin's blue. And extremely small, where Jeremoth has continued to grow to be a reasonably large blue. I'd have to really give it a lot of thought to organize all my pernese by their size, but it'd be fun to see all put together...

MADNESS.

Keilin Alyr · Post by **Keilin Alyr** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:50 pm

I think the collective awesome that would be one official, organized listing of all of Shard's Pernese and derivative dragons would implode the Nexus. Maybe give someone a serious eye-twitch. Or maybe just one singular Keanu Reeves-style "whoa" moment. XD

Seriously, that would one huge, epic listing. =)

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:52 pm

But it would make finding the dragon so much easier! XD Maybe if Shard enlisted us each to do a chunk of them it might get done in this life-time. :P

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:00 pm

Pffff. Well if you watch me on Deviantart you've gotten an eyefull of all the hatchings I've put out from the Healing Den. I've still got to reorganize my main site's image links so I can have just ONE version of each of the dragon images - you know how some folks used to name each of the dragons, instead of just calling it "xweyr-blue-hatching" or something? And then of course, there were several that had 'hand me down' image sets, which makes things a LOT more confusing when you have several from each weyr they came from... lol!

TyGryph · Post by **TyGryph** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:42 pm

It's saved. I just don't have my new webspace yet.
Crazy timing, with my big brother getting married this weekend.

I have/had an entire wing of greens and blues I played (well, most were npc's) at an RP Weyr a long time back. (Redstone) I've been trying to breathe life (back) into them... heh.

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:23 pm

Redstonnnnnnne!

Post by **Dray** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:03 pm

Thanks for all of the help, you guys! I wound up making a template based off of this, here:

I may eventually give some away to candidates, either giveaway style like Shard's crazy Alabaster dragons or in the more traditional 'write a candidate, get a pretty' way. ^_^

For now... homework time!

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:18 pm

Gaaawd I can HEAR the wing leather flapping as it folds under... what a gorgeous pose