Twisted Fate - 06 Psuedo-Hatching

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:46 pm

If you wanna be technical, every agency-owner is god-moding for the candidates. This isn't like rp, where you're not allowed to affect other people's characters without their permission: this is us sending characters specifically to be affected, through bonding (or sponsoring). Within that setting, the agency-owner is god. We, by sending in candidates, tacitly give permission to do just about anything (within reason) to our characters.

We all knew the Demon is this massively powerful, terrifying thing. Phe made it perfectly clear in the hatching story just how powerful and terrifying. Even his children-- even his mate-- were terrified. I don't see how anyone who is at all less than a Balespawn in power could possibly escape it, personally : )

Besides... is it god-moding if it's actually a god? >.>

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:53 pm

Noot nessicarily? To the extent that the agency owner has to infer the reaction of the candidates from the descriptions we provide, and respect those guidelines. In the subject of our own characters, we are god, as we know them best. :3 So i suppose the agency owner would have to look at our characters, the external events, and the probable reaction to those events. Once the baton is passed back to us- i.e, post-hatching stories-- it's all our control again? Kind of like an RP, but rather with each of us writing sections of the character's story, and borrowing each other's characters for a time?

Then again, I'm still new at this, so if this was ever discussed before, I missed it. XP I know I object to people doing stuff to my characters and my world that I don't consent to-- but I have a method of controlling what happens with that by not getting involved with big life-changey clutches like this. :3 which I elected not to do.

And then again, for the far above, that's for normal clutches, which this is not. and I didn't read the stories, but if they were extentions of the hatching story, which was already written by phe, they should follow the guidelines set by phe. And, like I said, I'm new here and still mostly a roleplayer anyway.

/random thoughts. no offense meant by any of this, btw!

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:01 pm

God-moding, in rp circumstances, is describing what happens to another person's character without their express permission. That's... what one does in a hatching story, no? XD

And besides, dragon-bonding isn't really the same as rp. The rules are a bit different. Admittedly, usually if your character is totally written wrong in a hatching story, you can kind of skip over it and pretend it didn't happen that way... but outright changing it is simply bad form.

That, and I think it's kinda arrogant to say that even though all these other evil, powerful characters are terrified out of their minds, but yours is too cool to be scared.... >.> Even the evil and powerful can know fear.

Edit: No offense meant here, either X3 Just realized that it could be seen as such, and not meaning it that way : ) I like minor debates, an such X3

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:07 pm

Technically, yes. XP The RP circuits I come from also defined it as inducing changes in outlook or making a character do things that it would plainly not do, when you've got permission. :3 Bonding another soul is a bgi thing, sure, but I'd rather decide just how it affects my character's life myself. Granted, that's not generally shown in a candidate story-- just a few things that happen at impression, and an implication for the rest.

But yeah, that is arrogant-- and this clutch was very definately a special case. XP which is why my hypothetical objection is on a principle level. :3 besides the fact that it isn't /really/ any of my business.

Post by **DragonFlight** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:08 pm

I agree with Caco. Our characters are indeed ours, but willingly sending them somewhere else removes them from our jurisdiction for the most part. You'll get things like forms asking how much or how little a candidate could be hurt during a hatching.

Phe left it open to interpretation for unique experiences. But forgetting that her prompt had significant meaning and impact just seems wrong.

When you RP, you don't ignore some aspects of a post just because you feel like it.

The Fate is the Red Demon's turf. It doesn't matter how strong your character is, if they're in his territory, it's his show.

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:18 pm

I'm not trying to piss anyone off here and I'm sorry I offended you but when I posted my post-bonding story you acted like you liked it and you found it amusing. If you were offended then why didn't you just say so? I would have changed it to make him at least slightly afraid but if you don't say anything about it then we can't really know what to do now can we? Anyway I don't want to cause un-necessary drama here and I honestly don't mind getting docked for the lack of fear or whatever, I just kind of wish that we would have been told that we were supposed to interpret it a certain way in advance. Also it might be god-moding of our characters to say they weren't afraid, but isn't it also god-moding to say that the red demon MUST make everyone afraid, no matter what? And I'm really really sorry and I don't want to alienate anyone especially Phe who I admire quite a lot, but it kind of hurts *me* to be accused of being arrogant when I was just trying to write a story for my own personal amusement and secondarily the amusement of others and I wasn't TOLD that it was a wrong thing to do until just now. Sorry.

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:22 pm

O.o I was just talking in general, not specifics. I wasn't meaning to call you arrogant, Astra. M'sorry ^^'

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:28 pm

No Caco, it wasn't you in specific. But I appreciate the comment

Its just kind of strange because I read the red demon's profile and the impression i got was "he's seriously bad and evil and a jerk and he's got some pretty freaky powers and you don't want to mess with him," not "He's the MOST POWERFUL BEING EVAH ZOMG" and his god-hood is not even mentioned anywhere. That, and in my opinion fear stems from being worried about intense damage to your physical person. It even says in the story that Bill didn't really care if he died or not so while he was probably afraid on some level I didn't really want to convey it in such a direct sense. The demon may be an uber-god, but Bill is a messed up whack job whose emotions don't work the way a normal person's would.

But really I just wish you would tell me in the future if a story personally offends you. I can be flexible, really, but I won't be able to fix it if I don't know.

But I understand, if it helps at all, what it is like to be uber-protective of your characters.

Xenoqueen · Post by **Xenoqueen** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:58 pm

Somewhere in the back of his mind he supposed that he really ought to be afraid. He was well aware that he was probably going to die. All around him, others were dying, in the most horrific ways possible. Fascinating, horrible ways, becoming deformed and shrivelled, or inflating like balloons and then popping. It was all quite fascinating, really. The bloodbath was absolutely envigorating and he watched with a sort of calm, detatched interest as he considered that he might be next, but for whatever unfathomable reason, did not really care.

Revisiting his story, I will freely admit my assigned Charm does not match my early-on impression of the story, and have boosted it accordingly. Bill is crazy in the head, yes, and as above the story does acknowledge it. My error, my apologies. <:3

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:07 pm

Hey, I'm sorry for freaking out earlier. I know it's not an excuse but I'm going through a lot of RL drama so I guess I'm just at the edge of my nerves. I appreciate the gesture of you raising the charm, though you really didn't have to :3 You gave me what you thought the story deserved and that's fine, I just wanted clarity on what was expected from the story, that's all. Sorry for the misunderstanding *hugs and cookies and peace-offerings?*

ps, did you catch my last question about mating habits?

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:11 pm

Here's my two-cents on mating X3 As long as said mate isn't laying across their back or getting head-butted or excessively nuzzled, I think the balefire won't be much of a problem ^^ And unless the char in question has a serious problem with self-control, I can't imagine their corruption abilities would get out of hand, either ^^

Though that... might be amusing, if they did XD I'd totally try that, if I didn't have the most uber-disciplined-and-self-controled Balespawn evar >.>

Xenoqueen · Post by **Xenoqueen** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:38 pm

Ah, yes, right. As long as the Balefire is not *touched* there would be no problem. It doesn't have a...what would you call it...a radiant effect? You have to actually *touch* the fire.

Caco's right on the corruption, too. Unless the Balespawn really really has issues with self-control, those wouldn't be a mating-related danger to the other.

Post by **Dray** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:30 pm

Uncalled for bitch-attack! :D

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:34 pm

Hey I said I was sorry. I was worried about something else IRL and exploded at an innocent person and I'm sorry about that. As I've said many times I really don't care about the charm; i got what Phe thought I deserved and I'm fine with that. I just wanted, for future reference, to actually know if something I wrote personally offended someone and to explain/have-explained the miscommunication. I really didn't want to start all kinds of drama over this and I'm really truly sorry

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:36 pm

-equally deleted return-bitch post-

things to note, though-- I wasn't attacking phe's clutch, I was /debating/ with cacopheny over what god-moding counts as to other people. I said phe's clutch was special and justified. So.. if i came off that way, truely truely sorry.

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:45 pm

Look I don't want to make people hate me or cause any animosity. I just wanted to clarify some things and I was a little peeved at *something else entirely* and so it came out badly. Please don't all hate me

I'm sorry.

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:49 pm

Moderator posting here:

Guys - settle down or I will lock the thread and you'll need to start another.

If there was something one submitter had a question about please settle it with pm's. Converse without the angst.

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:58 pm

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Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:07 pm

Er...onna side note. I love my adult image *cuddles and avoids the balefire* She's is love and will post her when i get the chance. Which will prolly be either tommorrow or this Friday. <3

Xenoqueen · Post by **Xenoqueen** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:28 pm

Thank you to the people who reassured me that I hadn't made a horrible decision, but thank you also to the people who posed a thoughtful counter-argument. I had my say and now this thread is ready for the next TF clutch of mine to roll along.

In closing...a kitten!

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:29 pm

..Phoenix, I love you for that kitten. Such a cute one, too.

we all need kittens. To http://kittenwar.com/ , my brethren!

Unyko · Post by **Unyko** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:59 pm

Mmmmmmmmmmm... X3 He's gonna be SUCH fun. *LOVE* Also, totally redeeming those hatchling and adult charms.

(And, erm.. *timid* can I go back on my request and begplead a .png format version of my boy? x.x He's sooo pretty, and can't be properly admired on a completely black background. At least not on my comp, as it has a really dark screen. ;.; *cling?*)

Silver Midnight · Post by **Silver Midnight** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:05 pm

Just a side note, that even if you didn't make your character afraid because it was 'godmoding' from Phe, she still holds jurisdiction to not give you a higher token/whatever if she didn't agree with it. I guess there's no written rule that you have to let the person writing the hatching do -anything- to your character... But she still doesn't have to give you higher token-things if she doesn't want to.

Xenoqueen · Post by **Xenoqueen** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:37 pm

Unyko wrote:(And, erm.. *timid* can I go back on my request and begplead a .png format version of my boy? x.x He's sooo pretty, and can't be properly admired on a completely black background. At least not on my comp, as it has a really dark screen. ;.; *cling?*)

Oh man, lucky for you I haven't emptied my Recycle Bin lately! XD Here you go.

http://xenoqueen.deviant-uprising.com/r ... tB-jpg.png

Unyko · Post by **Unyko** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:42 pm

Xenoqueen wrote:Oh man, lucky for you I haven't emptied my Recycle Bin lately! XD Here you go.

http://xenoqueen.deviant-uprising.com/r ... tB-jpg.png

Ah! Thankyouthankyouthankyou!! <3 *clicksaveLove!*

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:06 pm

o.0

What is this 'recycle bin' you speak of? It's so completely and utterly foreign to me to trash *anything* let alone something that will go out here to the masses.

.... ooookay that's probably why I have 150 floor feet (ie: x 9 feet cubic) of STUFF sitting in my storage units collecting dust...

Xenoqueen · Post by **Xenoqueen** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:12 pm

Well when somebody asks for a GIF or JPG, that's generally all I keep. XD It was dumb luck that I had pngs on hand for making thumbnails that weren't black-background or GIF-fuzzy this time around.

Unyko · Post by **Unyko** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:13 pm

Aha! I knew I wasn't the only packrat! XD

And now back to your regularly scheduled Phe-awesomeness... ^.^; *refrains from diverting thread*

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:22 pm

Much love on the kittens phe.

Myrror · Post by **Myrror** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:09 am

Naimhdeach is updated!

http://www.edgeofshadows.com/ShadowEdge ... deach.html

No more story for now, but there will be...it just has to wait. >.>