Species stat templates? + places that allow multiple bonding

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:48 pm

It's occured to me tht I have a lot of species wandering around mindspace, and i should start making infosheets for them. :/ And I was thinking of doing this in the stat table form, adapted for species, of course.

things like, Species name, origin [location], origin [creation/evolution], naming convention, bonding preferences, Colour/rank system if applicable, hatching/early life, mating, Society/typical attitude, natural group structure, Intellegence level, Standard abilities, physical traits/structure, Magic, etc?

Does anyone have a premade stat list, or any suggestions as to what other sorts of things should be added, perhaps?

Also, addition: if anyone has places that allow multiple bonding or don't, could you say here? Maybe there should be a database/reference thread on it. X.x cuz i find myself crossing barriers accidently, and it would probably just be easier on my memory if i knew where that was allowed, and where i'd have to drudge up another candidate.

just to say-- i regard bonding as sacred in any respect, and multiple bonding isn't just recycling to me, in case anyone sees this as promoting such. ._. I just value pack-like structures of bonds, provided all bonds could work together and not be jealous and whatnot.
I already know Carodos and Coeptus dissalow multiple bondings before and after impression, where else? and are there places that allow it post bonding, but not before? or just allow it in general?

JKatkina · Post by **JKatkina** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:55 pm

Both the Nidus and Sanctuary allow multiple bonds, just generally. :)

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:03 pm

-adds that to list-
if anyone wants to use this thread as reference, Mindspace does too, unless the parents of the clutch have specific objections, because mindspace as a rule looks back at the owners of the clutchparents as the major authority. -nodnod-

Should someone make a reference thread for it, or something? ._.

-compiles a template for the species stat table- and does anyone else want to use the species stat table? ^^ It might be useful.

Kitsuneko · Post by **Kitsuneko** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:05 pm

Darkling Dawn's absolutely okay with it. Drockh-Tallahn and Sgiath I'm not sure about, as neither of those species are originally mine. :/

<Edit> Nevermind about Sgiath, I'm pretty sure it's one 'wolf per person and otherwise, additional bonds don't matter.

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:06 pm

-nodnod- but Draks can be sponsored, right? They don;t bond so strongly anyway, from what i've heard. whee~

who created the draks, anyways?

but thanks, kitsu~ -hugs-

Kitsuneko · Post by **Kitsuneko** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:10 pm

I believe it was a joint effort by several people, Shard and Cyan and Trix among them. You'll probably want to ask Shard if they can doublebond.

Carodos · Post by **Carodos** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:54 pm

*sighs* Sure know how to make a girl feel guilty for a single bond don't ya?

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:58 pm

O__o -waves paw around- nooo, I feel guilty about it. That's why I asked, because whenever I forget to ask something or accidently overlook or break a rule, I feel like a huge ass and hide under rocks, and then take steps not to embarass myself like that again. >.> Trust me, it's my fault, and i'm looking to correct that.

;-; -hug- no intentions to make you feel guilty, I promise. Shit, I feel guilty for being too much of a crazy to offer you more than one worthwhile candidate. Besides, there have to be more agencies that allow singular bonds only, and I know I've heard of some that I don't remember, which isn't good. Though actually, i should be asking for species. ._. it would make more sense.

Carodos · Post by **Carodos** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:02 pm

Yeah, because my next dragon that is going to take me forever to get down good enough on paper not only allows for multiple bondings, but can bond multiple people at hatching. *laughs*

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:10 pm

Whee, that will be an interesting dragon~

Mmk, then, I rephrase my question: In addition to places, what species will accept multiple bonds, and what species wont? with all the variations i listed above.

Post by **Dray** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:17 pm

I would love to see a section in the database where you post template stats and ask people to fill them out for their particular dragon-species.

As for double/multiple bondings, I really like them. XD It's fun to see how character dynamics work when a person has a couple of bonds, and /those/ bonds might have a bond, and so on. It's like... Hive Mind, but for people, too! XDD So anything I adopt out is allowed to double-bond, unless there's something about the species that forbids it.

>.> And out of curiosity, what do people think about dragon-types being called 'chimerae'? o.O" I know that a lot of mine are looking more chimeric these days then draconic. Is it a term that rubs people the wrong way?

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:20 pm

hmm. Well, in a way, Chimerae would suit. >.> Particularly the ones that combine a lot of aspects from unlike breeds or species. XP I'm tempted to start a line of expiremental ones, but eh, too much work.
^^ I like the term.

and whee~ I hadn't thought of that, it would be nifty. XP and useful, cuz then we could just go to the thread and see what's all about what. ^^

and squee, i love that too~ cept i dunno what hive-mind is/is from

Cacopheny · Post by **Cacopheny** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:21 pm

... I thought chimeras were, like, lions with goats heads and snake's tails....

Rachael · Post by **Rachael** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:28 pm

Cacopheny wrote:... I thought chimeras were, like, lions with goats heads and snake's tails....

They are. They are also individuals with two sets of genetic information, which can either both be phenotypically present, or only genotypically.

To work on dragons, I... really, really hesitate. =/ It doesn't quite fit, unless you want to reference that they are carrying multiple sets of genetic information and are thus producing offspring who are not, genetically, their own, but rather, say, from another "male" or "relative" in the family.

The Chimera was also female. *snorts* I'll... trail off now.

Post by **Dray** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:31 pm

It is, but when I was snooping around dictionary.com yesterday I discovered that it has a wider meaning when describing a creature:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chimeric

1. Created by or as if by a wildly fanciful imagination; highly improbable.
2. Given to unrealistic fantasies; fanciful.
3. often chimeric Of, related to, or being a chimera.

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:34 pm

I, at least, have also heard references to Chimeras as being any creature which unnaturally combines the traits of unlike animals.
Genetic Chimeras are that in essance, except a more modern term. Though i dunno where that definition of it came from [the unlike species one], but i've heard it referenced as such for years.

yay ancient greek female chimera~! -dances- I didn't know the bit about being female.

efellai · Post by **efellai** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:34 pm

It sounds good in theory, but makes me wince a little--I have fire-demons called ch'meiri that will soon be causing major plot action at Moire, and it would make me a bit confused. But that's just me and my confused little world.

Post by **Dray** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:37 pm

O.o' Ack--I wasn't trying to steal any names or anything. I was just thinking about in referenceing dragons in general. XD The ones I've been making these days just don't look... dragon-y. I was trying to think of an alternative to 'canine-vaguely-draconic-creature-thingy'. (I need to be walked off of the Nexus' plank, I think. XD)

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:40 pm

I like the idea. ^^
-huggles- The pernese sort look different from a number of those out there now, but they aren't so popular. I try to make some vagually equine, in a lot of respects, and canine, and birdlike.. whee~ Lots of possibilities.

Ak, comfusing name similarity~ X.x

Shiolar · Post by **Shiolar** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:30 am

Generally, I'm okay with double bonding, BUT... I would require a story for how the original bonded pair came to the decision to bond again, and so on... Basically something to show that the bond is sacred and you're not just re-using an old character, if that makes sense.

But both Danachians and Mirusii will form bonded groups rather than just pairs.

On the other hand, I prefer most of my characters to be single bond only. Just a personal preference for my own characters, although it doesn't reflect how I adopt dragons out...

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:33 am

I'm working on something like that for Draco Prime at the very moment. Right now I'm just busy trying to edit candybar dolls so that they look like a fair semblance of the species in question

I have no problem at all with double bonding because bonding at Draco Prime was originally created to be a survival mechanism by the Gecnawans after they were nearly extinct, and later now that the species is doing much better its more of a novelty than anything else. Pyrus Weir, should I ever get it off the ground (ha ha), is more of a sacred dragon/rider bond sort of place, so I would shy away from multiple bonds if I could help it. Cyrna welcomes multiple bonds and I have several characters who have double bonded but that really wasn't a part of the original storyline and I find it damned hard to write for. So on Draco Prime, totally okay, on Cyrna, sorta okay, and on Taires, not okay, as far as my worlds are concerned

Rachael · Post by **Rachael** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:10 am

Lvarians mainly bond to be able to understand the culture around them and have a link to it that (hopefully) is more free to move around in that culture than they are. For this reason, Lvarians can multiple bond (on one person) and also chain bond (dragon=dragon-dragon-person or such).

Tricky dragons.

Myrror · Post by **Myrror** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:30 am

Hmmm, I think of the dragons I've given out, none are disposed to multible bonding at once. Catdragons bond at birth (but don't have to), and the narrow window would prevent them from bonding more than one person, if they bond at all. However, there's nothing holding them back from having more than one dragon bond them.

Dagger Dragons will only bond with one person, but they're flit-sized (though fully intelligent), and have no qualms about that person bonding again--or bonding them if they've got a bond. Just in case anyone decides to do a dagger dragon clutch. ^.^

DNS · Post by **DNS** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:42 am

Chain bonding is le confusing~ <3
And when i say double bond, i mean the person who is getting bonded bonds more than one dragon, but yes, i think that's known.

I kind of take mild offense to the idea that multiple bonding is less sacred. It isn't really, if anything, it's more sacred, at least in my mind. ._. But it's been proven that my mind works strangely, so eh.
I take huge offense, though, to the idea that i'm just recylcing candidates when i send them to bond again. X.x I work hard on my characters, and I genuinely adore them. ._. it's insulting to me that people would think I just re-use them. Course, no one has made that assumption, for which i'm glad. ^^ squee~

Astra · Post by **Astra** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:24 pm

I agree that multiple bondings is a great way to write further adventures of characters you love writing about. My only reservation in the case of Taires is that it is a Pern-like world and thus there's a strict dragon/rider relationship, and adding another dragon to the mix would add some tricky dynamcis that are better left avoided.

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:23 pm

Aside from the straight Pernese from Dragonhope, I don't expect any problems from most of my dragons. If they aren't up for a dual or multiple bonding, I'd say so specifically.